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Anne Applebaum

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The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

whatever you call it, the online world that now believes we will transition to something different. And I think they do mean some kind of techno-oligarchic regime where ordinary people have less influence on politics. Peter Thiel has been talking for years about how giving women the vote was a mistake and the poor being allowed to have influence on politics has negative implications for the state.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

And I think the reason I was talking about Trump being old is they think that they will control him and they will hasten the transition to that regime. I mean, this is not some kind of made-up dystopian nightmare. I mean, this is what they've been saying. You know, this is what Thiel has been saying. This is what Curtis Yarvin has been saying. This is what others have been saying.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

And I think the reason I was talking about Trump being old is they think that they will control him and they will hasten the transition to that regime. I mean, this is not some kind of made-up dystopian nightmare. I mean, this is what they've been saying. You know, this is what Thiel has been saying. This is what Curtis Yarvin has been saying. This is what others have been saying.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

And I think the reason I was talking about Trump being old is they think that they will control him and they will hasten the transition to that regime. I mean, this is not some kind of made-up dystopian nightmare. I mean, this is what they've been saying. You know, this is what Thiel has been saying. This is what Curtis Yarvin has been saying. This is what others have been saying.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

So, you know, why shouldn't we believe them when that's what they say? What exactly that means and how it works, you know, In practice, I don't know. I mean, we still do have a legal system. We still have a Congress. We still have courts. Most judges, federal judges, are not partisan in the sense that they will vote for a different kind of regime.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

So, you know, why shouldn't we believe them when that's what they say? What exactly that means and how it works, you know, In practice, I don't know. I mean, we still do have a legal system. We still have a Congress. We still have courts. Most judges, federal judges, are not partisan in the sense that they will vote for a different kind of regime.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

So, you know, why shouldn't we believe them when that's what they say? What exactly that means and how it works, you know, In practice, I don't know. I mean, we still do have a legal system. We still have a Congress. We still have courts. Most judges, federal judges, are not partisan in the sense that they will vote for a different kind of regime.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

I mean, some of them are conservative and some of them are or more progressive or whatever word you want to use, but they have different interpretations of the constitution, but they still operate out of those interpretations. They still think the constitution matters. I mean, there are a couple exceptions in Florida and elsewhere, but most of them do. And so, you know, there will be a lot of,

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

I mean, some of them are conservative and some of them are or more progressive or whatever word you want to use, but they have different interpretations of the constitution, but they still operate out of those interpretations. They still think the constitution matters. I mean, there are a couple exceptions in Florida and elsewhere, but most of them do. And so, you know, there will be a lot of,

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

I mean, some of them are conservative and some of them are or more progressive or whatever word you want to use, but they have different interpretations of the constitution, but they still operate out of those interpretations. They still think the constitution matters. I mean, there are a couple exceptions in Florida and elsewhere, but most of them do. And so, you know, there will be a lot of,

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

systemic resistance or systemic hurdles that you will have to overcome before you can establish a system whereby some version of Musk and Thiel or whoever, whichever puppet they back, whether it's Trump or Vance, are actually controlling the country and have more ability to make decisions and more power than anybody else. But it's clearly what they want.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

systemic resistance or systemic hurdles that you will have to overcome before you can establish a system whereby some version of Musk and Thiel or whoever, whichever puppet they back, whether it's Trump or Vance, are actually controlling the country and have more ability to make decisions and more power than anybody else. But it's clearly what they want.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

systemic resistance or systemic hurdles that you will have to overcome before you can establish a system whereby some version of Musk and Thiel or whoever, whichever puppet they back, whether it's Trump or Vance, are actually controlling the country and have more ability to make decisions and more power than anybody else. But it's clearly what they want.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

You know, it's clearly the direction they're hoping to go in.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

You know, it's clearly the direction they're hoping to go in.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

You know, it's clearly the direction they're hoping to go in.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

One more word on that. I mean, once the people understand that the country is run in effect by unelected billionaires, then whatever anti-elite sentiments they have will be directed at those unelected billionaires. You can see that happen in other countries, too.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

One more word on that. I mean, once the people understand that the country is run in effect by unelected billionaires, then whatever anti-elite sentiments they have will be directed at those unelected billionaires. You can see that happen in other countries, too.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

One more word on that. I mean, once the people understand that the country is run in effect by unelected billionaires, then whatever anti-elite sentiments they have will be directed at those unelected billionaires. You can see that happen in other countries, too.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

So the idea of U.S. foreign policy is that U.S. foreign policy should one way or another benefit the United States of America. It should be good for American prosperity, security. It should be good for international security, which is you know, in a more distanced way, but it's still good for us.