Anne Applebaum

So I did know about that. I mean, I knew that the Ukrainians had proposed that. I don't know the exact, to be fair, I don't know the exact terms. I don't know exactly what we're talking about, but I know they were looking for something transactional that they could offer Trump. I mean, obviously arguing to Trump on the basis of values or

So I did know about that. I mean, I knew that the Ukrainians had proposed that. I don't know the exact, to be fair, I don't know the exact terms. I don't know exactly what we're talking about, but I know they were looking for something transactional that they could offer Trump. I mean, obviously arguing to Trump on the basis of values or

you know, human rights wasn't going to work and they were looking for something else and they have this. And from their point of view, I understand it completely. And I would do the same if I were the president of Ukraine, you know, so I understand how that looks in practice. I mean, what we, we let American companies mine things in Ukraine and just turn the other

you know, human rights wasn't going to work and they were looking for something else and they have this. And from their point of view, I understand it completely. And I would do the same if I were the president of Ukraine, you know, so I understand how that looks in practice. I mean, what we, we let American companies mine things in Ukraine and just turn the other

you know, human rights wasn't going to work and they were looking for something else and they have this. And from their point of view, I understand it completely. And I would do the same if I were the president of Ukraine, you know, so I understand how that looks in practice. I mean, what we, we let American companies mine things in Ukraine and just turn the other

don't look while they do it i don't know exactly how that works or what a deal like that looks like i mean it's hard even to figure out how you would contractually organize it i mean what we're just giving rights away to the u.s government or we're giving them to friends of trump or who are we giving them to i don't know but yeah folks in ukraine more optimistic that they might be open than maybe they had been to continued support or still pretty dire

don't look while they do it i don't know exactly how that works or what a deal like that looks like i mean it's hard even to figure out how you would contractually organize it i mean what we're just giving rights away to the u.s government or we're giving them to friends of trump or who are we giving them to i don't know but yeah folks in ukraine more optimistic that they might be open than maybe they had been to continued support or still pretty dire

don't look while they do it i don't know exactly how that works or what a deal like that looks like i mean it's hard even to figure out how you would contractually organize it i mean what we're just giving rights away to the u.s government or we're giving them to friends of trump or who are we giving them to i don't know but yeah folks in ukraine more optimistic that they might be open than maybe they had been to continued support or still pretty dire

hard to describe. I mean, I think people are, you know, there's a combination of fatalism, like, you know, whatever happens, we're not stopping fighting. And I actually know a lot of people who are involved in very forward-looking projects there, who are building drone factories, who are creating new forms of warfare. I mean, there's a

hard to describe. I mean, I think people are, you know, there's a combination of fatalism, like, you know, whatever happens, we're not stopping fighting. And I actually know a lot of people who are involved in very forward-looking projects there, who are building drone factories, who are creating new forms of warfare. I mean, there's a

hard to describe. I mean, I think people are, you know, there's a combination of fatalism, like, you know, whatever happens, we're not stopping fighting. And I actually know a lot of people who are involved in very forward-looking projects there, who are building drone factories, who are creating new forms of warfare. I mean, there's a

There's a piece of the Ukrainian story that never seems to get told. I periodically try to tell it, but, you know, they are really at the cutting edge of what is modern warfare. They're inventing new stuff all the time. And so there's a piece of the story that's actually very they're still very optimistic, like they still think they're. you know, they're gaining in various ways.

There's a piece of the Ukrainian story that never seems to get told. I periodically try to tell it, but, you know, they are really at the cutting edge of what is modern warfare. They're inventing new stuff all the time. And so there's a piece of the story that's actually very they're still very optimistic, like they still think they're. you know, they're gaining in various ways.

There's a piece of the Ukrainian story that never seems to get told. I periodically try to tell it, but, you know, they are really at the cutting edge of what is modern warfare. They're inventing new stuff all the time. And so there's a piece of the story that's actually very they're still very optimistic, like they still think they're. you know, they're gaining in various ways.

Then there's, you know, at another level, there's another part of the army and part of the security apparatus who's worried they just don't have enough people and they're losing territory and they'll do whatever it takes to get U.S. help. But it's not really a question of, you know, optimism or pessimism.

Then there's, you know, at another level, there's another part of the army and part of the security apparatus who's worried they just don't have enough people and they're losing territory and they'll do whatever it takes to get U.S. help. But it's not really a question of, you know, optimism or pessimism.

Then there's, you know, at another level, there's another part of the army and part of the security apparatus who's worried they just don't have enough people and they're losing territory and they'll do whatever it takes to get U.S. help. But it's not really a question of, you know, optimism or pessimism.

I mean, they're going to keep fighting, you know, and they will do what they can to get the equipment and weapons that they need. And they will they will make whatever deal is required.

I mean, they're going to keep fighting, you know, and they will do what they can to get the equipment and weapons that they need. And they will they will make whatever deal is required.

I mean, they're going to keep fighting, you know, and they will do what they can to get the equipment and weapons that they need. And they will they will make whatever deal is required.