Anne Applebaum

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One of the things that's happening is that this is the second time that Trump has won. And when you look at the pattern, whether it's Hugo Chavez or whether it's Viktor Orban, it's a loss and then a return that changes the politics.

One of the things that's happening is that this is the second time that Trump has won. And when you look at the pattern, whether it's Hugo Chavez or whether it's Viktor Orban, it's a loss and then a return that changes the politics.

One of the things that's happening is that this is the second time that Trump has won. And when you look at the pattern, whether it's Hugo Chavez or whether it's Viktor Orban, it's a loss and then a return that changes the politics.

Having overcome the fact that he assaulted the Constitution, broke the law multiple times, you know, whichever piece of it bothers you the most, he stole documents, you know, he was a corrupt businessman, all those things we now know. And yet he's been reelected anyway. People are going to say, right, this guy has...

Having overcome the fact that he assaulted the Constitution, broke the law multiple times, you know, whichever piece of it bothers you the most, he stole documents, you know, he was a corrupt businessman, all those things we now know. And yet he's been reelected anyway. People are going to say, right, this guy has...

Having overcome the fact that he assaulted the Constitution, broke the law multiple times, you know, whichever piece of it bothers you the most, he stole documents, you know, he was a corrupt businessman, all those things we now know. And yet he's been reelected anyway. People are going to say, right, this guy has...

It's not exactly magical powers, but he has some kind of staying ability that I didn't account for the first time. And, you know, I better get along with him or else I'm in trouble. And that's actually, I mean, it's not unique to the United States. You can see it in other places.

It's not exactly magical powers, but he has some kind of staying ability that I didn't account for the first time. And, you know, I better get along with him or else I'm in trouble. And that's actually, I mean, it's not unique to the United States. You can see it in other places.

It's not exactly magical powers, but he has some kind of staying ability that I didn't account for the first time. And, you know, I better get along with him or else I'm in trouble. And that's actually, I mean, it's not unique to the United States. You can see it in other places.

The person who broke the law and yet comes back to power, people are, I don't know if it's more afraid is really the right word, but they're more willing to say, right, you know, we give up. This is the kind of regime that we have. We better learn to live with it.

The person who broke the law and yet comes back to power, people are, I don't know if it's more afraid is really the right word, but they're more willing to say, right, you know, we give up. This is the kind of regime that we have. We better learn to live with it.

The person who broke the law and yet comes back to power, people are, I don't know if it's more afraid is really the right word, but they're more willing to say, right, you know, we give up. This is the kind of regime that we have. We better learn to live with it.

One of the mistakes that people are making is imagining that giving the state more power or giving the executive more power, including effectively power without control or the ability to bend the law, that that will somehow be good for business. This is a very seductive argument that I think actually a lot of the people around him do believe.

One of the mistakes that people are making is imagining that giving the state more power or giving the executive more power, including effectively power without control or the ability to bend the law, that that will somehow be good for business. This is a very seductive argument that I think actually a lot of the people around him do believe.

One of the mistakes that people are making is imagining that giving the state more power or giving the executive more power, including effectively power without control or the ability to bend the law, that that will somehow be good for business. This is a very seductive argument that I think actually a lot of the people around him do believe.

I mean, you know, Musk, Thiel, but maybe also Bezos and Zuckerberg, I don't know. They think that this kind of power that now seems to be different from the first time where, as I said, he has this support in a particular part of the business community. They think it'll be good for them. They could be right in the short term.

I mean, you know, Musk, Thiel, but maybe also Bezos and Zuckerberg, I don't know. They think that this kind of power that now seems to be different from the first time where, as I said, he has this support in a particular part of the business community. They think it'll be good for them. They could be right in the short term.

I mean, you know, Musk, Thiel, but maybe also Bezos and Zuckerberg, I don't know. They think that this kind of power that now seems to be different from the first time where, as I said, he has this support in a particular part of the business community. They think it'll be good for them. They could be right in the short term.

I mean, obviously, Bezos is reckoning that all the things he wants to do, go to space or go to Mars or wherever, those things will be facilitated by a Trump administration that will loosen regulations or give him subsidies. I mean, Trump has been known to do that before.