Anne Applebaum

Right. I mean, he's, of course, a product of the United States of America and its educational system and its financial system and so on and on. So it's not like he represents something new, but that's a separate question. Yeah, I do think that there are now – there is a part of the media, there is a part of the business community, there is a part of –

Right. I mean, he's, of course, a product of the United States of America and its educational system and its financial system and so on and on. So it's not like he represents something new, but that's a separate question. Yeah, I do think that there are now – there is a part of the media, there is a part of the business community, there is a part of –

Right. I mean, he's, of course, a product of the United States of America and its educational system and its financial system and so on and on. So it's not like he represents something new, but that's a separate question. Yeah, I do think that there are now – there is a part of the media, there is a part of the business community, there is a part of –

whatever you call it, the online world that now believes we will transition to something different. And I think they do mean some kind of techno-oligarchic regime where ordinary people have less influence on politics. Peter Thiel has been talking for years about how giving women the vote was a mistake and the poor being allowed to have influence on politics has negative implications for the state.

whatever you call it, the online world that now believes we will transition to something different. And I think they do mean some kind of techno-oligarchic regime where ordinary people have less influence on politics. Peter Thiel has been talking for years about how giving women the vote was a mistake and the poor being allowed to have influence on politics has negative implications for the state.

whatever you call it, the online world that now believes we will transition to something different. And I think they do mean some kind of techno-oligarchic regime where ordinary people have less influence on politics. Peter Thiel has been talking for years about how giving women the vote was a mistake and the poor being allowed to have influence on politics has negative implications for the state.

And I think the reason I was talking about Trump being old is they think that they will control him and they will hasten the transition to that regime. I mean, this is not some kind of made-up dystopian nightmare. I mean, this is what they've been saying. You know, this is what Thiel has been saying. This is what Curtis Yarvin has been saying. This is what others have been saying.

And I think the reason I was talking about Trump being old is they think that they will control him and they will hasten the transition to that regime. I mean, this is not some kind of made-up dystopian nightmare. I mean, this is what they've been saying. You know, this is what Thiel has been saying. This is what Curtis Yarvin has been saying. This is what others have been saying.

And I think the reason I was talking about Trump being old is they think that they will control him and they will hasten the transition to that regime. I mean, this is not some kind of made-up dystopian nightmare. I mean, this is what they've been saying. You know, this is what Thiel has been saying. This is what Curtis Yarvin has been saying. This is what others have been saying.

So, you know, why shouldn't we believe them when that's what they say? What exactly that means and how it works, you know, In practice, I don't know. I mean, we still do have a legal system. We still have a Congress. We still have courts. Most judges, federal judges, are not partisan in the sense that they will vote for a different kind of regime.

So, you know, why shouldn't we believe them when that's what they say? What exactly that means and how it works, you know, In practice, I don't know. I mean, we still do have a legal system. We still have a Congress. We still have courts. Most judges, federal judges, are not partisan in the sense that they will vote for a different kind of regime.

So, you know, why shouldn't we believe them when that's what they say? What exactly that means and how it works, you know, In practice, I don't know. I mean, we still do have a legal system. We still have a Congress. We still have courts. Most judges, federal judges, are not partisan in the sense that they will vote for a different kind of regime.

I mean, some of them are conservative and some of them are or more progressive or whatever word you want to use, but they have different interpretations of the constitution, but they still operate out of those interpretations. They still think the constitution matters. I mean, there are a couple exceptions in Florida and elsewhere, but most of them do. And so, you know, there will be a lot of,

I mean, some of them are conservative and some of them are or more progressive or whatever word you want to use, but they have different interpretations of the constitution, but they still operate out of those interpretations. They still think the constitution matters. I mean, there are a couple exceptions in Florida and elsewhere, but most of them do. And so, you know, there will be a lot of,

I mean, some of them are conservative and some of them are or more progressive or whatever word you want to use, but they have different interpretations of the constitution, but they still operate out of those interpretations. They still think the constitution matters. I mean, there are a couple exceptions in Florida and elsewhere, but most of them do. And so, you know, there will be a lot of,

systemic resistance or systemic hurdles that you will have to overcome before you can establish a system whereby some version of Musk and Thiel or whoever, whichever puppet they back, whether it's Trump or Vance, are actually controlling the country and have more ability to make decisions and more power than anybody else. But it's clearly what they want.

systemic resistance or systemic hurdles that you will have to overcome before you can establish a system whereby some version of Musk and Thiel or whoever, whichever puppet they back, whether it's Trump or Vance, are actually controlling the country and have more ability to make decisions and more power than anybody else. But it's clearly what they want.

systemic resistance or systemic hurdles that you will have to overcome before you can establish a system whereby some version of Musk and Thiel or whoever, whichever puppet they back, whether it's Trump or Vance, are actually controlling the country and have more ability to make decisions and more power than anybody else. But it's clearly what they want.

You know, it's clearly the direction they're hoping to go in.

You know, it's clearly the direction they're hoping to go in.