Anne Applebaum

I didn't fully understand it.

I thought it was really profoundly offensive.

You know, a qualified person who's come to take part in an international event, who's excluded for...

some, you know, they have a thing about Somalians, you know, because they're racist against Somalians or they don't like Somalia or they've put Somalia on some list.

I mean, that's just not an excuse.

And as I said, the only, the explanation is it's a display of cruelty.

It appeals to Americans who also want to

you know demonstrate their strength and cruelty and and and desire for to exclude others um and it's again i think it's part of the same the same propaganda that makes everybody else feel numb you know there's kind of one thing after next you know one horrible story after next and after a while people say i don't want anything to do with politics i don't want to know about it anything else on the autocracy ink watch before we go to a palate cleanser to close the show

I mean, you know, let's go to the palate cleanser.

Apparently not.

Yeah, well, I wrote about her earlier in the year because I wrote about her, what she has been doing for the last month.

So she was running something called the U.S.

Agency for Global Media, which is America's foreign broadcasters, Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty, Radio Free Asia, and really essentially running them into the ground and wasting tens of millions of dollars while doing it.

I mean, it's a long story.

I can recommend you to the Atlantic article where she was –

She tried to fire people.

She did it illegally.

They wound up being on administrative leave.

They were all getting their salaries while not working.

She ended some contracts in a way that was damaging.