Anne Applebaum

And that's part of what keeps them all in power.

And it looks in, you know, the Trump administration is still not free to

behave in that way.

You know, we still live in a democracy and we still have, you know, we still, I hope, will have congressional investigations and we have courts and so on.

But they seem to be pushing the country in that direction.

And clearly there are very wealthy people in the tech world and in the crypto world and in other industries who want the U.S.

to develop very much in that direction, a kind of

A state where political power and economic power are the same thing and, you know, the politicians own the companies and they act in their interests, not our interests.

Yeah, I think Poland sees itself very much as being a country that will play a role in deciding what happens next in Ukraine and will play an increasingly influential role in helping other European countries shape their security decisions.

I mean, there's some interesting, there's a very close Polish-Swedish relationship.

The Poles just bought some submarines from Sweden.

You see this kind of countries around the Baltic becoming, working together in lots of ways, and actually often including the UK.

So you have kind of UK-Scandinavia-Baltic-Poland alliance, which is emerging as a really important alliance of countries just because they share values and they

They have a similar view of the world and they work together in new ways.

And you're seeing that emerging.

I mean, there's also a Polish-German relationship that's really important.

Actually, the Polish government, I'm not sure they're still there today, but as we're speaking, they were there yesterday.

Several senior Polish ministers, including the prime minister, were all in Germany.

You know, there was a kind of big...

you know, multi-leveled, multi-layered conference was held in which they, you know, there's still endless historical issues to work out, but in which they're looking at ways of working together economically and in security.