Anne Applebaum

A lot of those are going to become targets, and some already have been. You know, either targets of smear campaigns on Twitter or maybe maybe they will even be investigated by the administration itself. All of those things, those transparency bodies, those legal bodies, all of them will have to be somehow pushed out of the way if this accumulation of funds is to continue.

A lot of those are going to become targets, and some already have been. You know, either targets of smear campaigns on Twitter or maybe maybe they will even be investigated by the administration itself. All of those things, those transparency bodies, those legal bodies, all of them will have to be somehow pushed out of the way if this accumulation of funds is to continue.

That's interesting. I mean, I hadn't thought of that psychological insight, namely that when they talk all the time about being prosecuted and being victims and so on, and maybe it's because they, you know, of course they know they're guilty. They know they broke the law. They know what happened on January the 6th. They know how much money they're stealing. So you're right.

That's interesting. I mean, I hadn't thought of that psychological insight, namely that when they talk all the time about being prosecuted and being victims and so on, and maybe it's because they, you know, of course they know they're guilty. They know they broke the law. They know what happened on January the 6th. They know how much money they're stealing. So you're right.

That's interesting. I mean, I hadn't thought of that psychological insight, namely that when they talk all the time about being prosecuted and being victims and so on, and maybe it's because they, you know, of course they know they're guilty. They know they broke the law. They know what happened on January the 6th. They know how much money they're stealing. So you're right.

Maybe they do feel, maybe it's a reflection, a kind of authentic reflection of how afraid they feel. And they are all people who are engaged in breaking the law and in destroying and undermining the constitution. And they're Perhaps at some level, consciously or unconsciously afraid, eventually they might pay a price for it. I mean, this, of course, we see this also in other countries.

Maybe they do feel, maybe it's a reflection, a kind of authentic reflection of how afraid they feel. And they are all people who are engaged in breaking the law and in destroying and undermining the constitution. And they're Perhaps at some level, consciously or unconsciously afraid, eventually they might pay a price for it. I mean, this, of course, we see this also in other countries.

Maybe they do feel, maybe it's a reflection, a kind of authentic reflection of how afraid they feel. And they are all people who are engaged in breaking the law and in destroying and undermining the constitution. And they're Perhaps at some level, consciously or unconsciously afraid, eventually they might pay a price for it. I mean, this, of course, we see this also in other countries.

I mean, why is, you know, why is Netanyahu, for example, so keen to break the Israeli judicial system? It's partly because he, too, is worried about being held to account. You know, why is Viktor Orban so determined to stay in office despite the fact that he's This is the prime minister of Hungary, that his numbers are falling. He has a real political opponent.

I mean, why is, you know, why is Netanyahu, for example, so keen to break the Israeli judicial system? It's partly because he, too, is worried about being held to account. You know, why is Viktor Orban so determined to stay in office despite the fact that he's This is the prime minister of Hungary, that his numbers are falling. He has a real political opponent.

I mean, why is, you know, why is Netanyahu, for example, so keen to break the Israeli judicial system? It's partly because he, too, is worried about being held to account. You know, why is Viktor Orban so determined to stay in office despite the fact that he's This is the prime minister of Hungary, that his numbers are falling. He has a real political opponent.

What might persuade him to try and block that political opponent, maybe even through ex-illegal means? It's also, again, the fear that the very real crimes he's carried out, the money that he's stolen, the money that his family have benefited from taking from the Hungarian state, maybe that's going to be investigated. So their anxiety about paranoia has a real basis. You're right.

What might persuade him to try and block that political opponent, maybe even through ex-illegal means? It's also, again, the fear that the very real crimes he's carried out, the money that he's stolen, the money that his family have benefited from taking from the Hungarian state, maybe that's going to be investigated. So their anxiety about paranoia has a real basis. You're right.

What might persuade him to try and block that political opponent, maybe even through ex-illegal means? It's also, again, the fear that the very real crimes he's carried out, the money that he's stolen, the money that his family have benefited from taking from the Hungarian state, maybe that's going to be investigated. So their anxiety about paranoia has a real basis. You're right.

I wonder if it's that or whether it's the extreme, you know, the partisanship that we now live in that makes people literally unable to see Trump's corruption. And this is a theme I know you may also be interested to discuss. I have one or two friends who during the Biden years became very angry by what they perceived to be as Biden's corruption.

I wonder if it's that or whether it's the extreme, you know, the partisanship that we now live in that makes people literally unable to see Trump's corruption. And this is a theme I know you may also be interested to discuss. I have one or two friends who during the Biden years became very angry by what they perceived to be as Biden's corruption.

I wonder if it's that or whether it's the extreme, you know, the partisanship that we now live in that makes people literally unable to see Trump's corruption. And this is a theme I know you may also be interested to discuss. I have one or two friends who during the Biden years became very angry by what they perceived to be as Biden's corruption.

Nothing that was ever proven, nothing was ever shown. There was a lot of rumors about what Hunter Biden had done or not done. You know, as far as I can see, Hunter Biden was guilty of taking advantage of his father's name and he got himself appointed to a couple of boards. But there is no... We're not even living in the same world.

Nothing that was ever proven, nothing was ever shown. There was a lot of rumors about what Hunter Biden had done or not done. You know, as far as I can see, Hunter Biden was guilty of taking advantage of his father's name and he got himself appointed to a couple of boards. But there is no... We're not even living in the same world.

Nothing that was ever proven, nothing was ever shown. There was a lot of rumors about what Hunter Biden had done or not done. You know, as far as I can see, Hunter Biden was guilty of taking advantage of his father's name and he got himself appointed to a couple of boards. But there is no... We're not even living in the same world.