Anne Klibanski

By numbers, absolutely.

Have we really looked at what all of the things that we have realized represent, I'll call it the underbelly of all of this?

Not really.

So we've made progress.

Have we made enough progress?

Not at all.

But we're talking about it.

And that's always a first step.

That's not an end state.

So one of the things that has been, I think, a very important element for me is impact.

How much impact do you have in the one person you're seeing, the one patient you're taking care of?

How much impact do you have on someone you've mentored?

How much impact do you have in a broader concept, whether it's in research, whether it's in clinical, whether it's administration, whether it's in anything that you do?

How do you evaluate that?

I think many people are very much focused on their legacy in terms of how it is they will be remembered.

and I've seen this many times, when people are very much focused on how will they be remembered, that becomes all about them.

And that is not really a legacy.

That's a statue, that's a portrait, that's a plaque, that's a naming opportunity, that's a lot of things.

But what I meant in that quote is fundamentally, the most impact you can have is how you have actually

dealt, talked, worked with, mentored people around you so that they can actually find what they're most passionate about.