Anne-Marie Green

And so while we're talking about this, there's also the business of whether or not Gavin was also motivated by thinking that maybe he was going to be a father.

Welcome back. Natalie, we have to talk a little bit more about Russell. I mean, not only did he basically give up all the goods at the beginning of his own interrogation, but then police leave him in the room by himself. He knows he's being recorded. He starts saying all this odd stuff. I want to play some more edited portions that did not make it into the hour.

Welcome back. Natalie, we have to talk a little bit more about Russell. I mean, not only did he basically give up all the goods at the beginning of his own interrogation, but then police leave him in the room by himself. He knows he's being recorded. He starts saying all this odd stuff. I want to play some more edited portions that did not make it into the hour.

Welcome back. Natalie, we have to talk a little bit more about Russell. I mean, not only did he basically give up all the goods at the beginning of his own interrogation, but then police leave him in the room by himself. He knows he's being recorded. He starts saying all this odd stuff. I want to play some more edited portions that did not make it into the hour.

So I'm curious about what investigators, you know, made of this. Did they think he was, this was him? Or he's putting on a character? He's using reverse psychology? Like, what do you make of this?

So I'm curious about what investigators, you know, made of this. Did they think he was, this was him? Or he's putting on a character? He's using reverse psychology? Like, what do you make of this?

So I'm curious about what investigators, you know, made of this. Did they think he was, this was him? Or he's putting on a character? He's using reverse psychology? Like, what do you make of this?

I couldn't figure out if this was an act he was putting on or if he really is this kind of character.

I couldn't figure out if this was an act he was putting on or if he really is this kind of character.

I couldn't figure out if this was an act he was putting on or if he really is this kind of character.

But while he's kind of... You know, doing this one man show in the interrogation room by himself. Ellie is also being questioned. She's being interviewed by Detective Stephanie Jackson. But this interrogation goes on for quite a long time. It's 10 hours long. Ellie's mother, Maggie, says that no one told her that her child was in custody. I was surprised that this was permitted.

But while he's kind of... You know, doing this one man show in the interrogation room by himself. Ellie is also being questioned. She's being interviewed by Detective Stephanie Jackson. But this interrogation goes on for quite a long time. It's 10 hours long. Ellie's mother, Maggie, says that no one told her that her child was in custody. I was surprised that this was permitted.

But while he's kind of... You know, doing this one man show in the interrogation room by himself. Ellie is also being questioned. She's being interviewed by Detective Stephanie Jackson. But this interrogation goes on for quite a long time. It's 10 hours long. Ellie's mother, Maggie, says that no one told her that her child was in custody. I was surprised that this was permitted.

I always was under the impression that an adult that was in some way representing the minor needs to be there, whether it's a parent or even somebody from the court. I don't know. But I guess this was OK.

I always was under the impression that an adult that was in some way representing the minor needs to be there, whether it's a parent or even somebody from the court. I don't know. But I guess this was OK.

I always was under the impression that an adult that was in some way representing the minor needs to be there, whether it's a parent or even somebody from the court. I don't know. But I guess this was OK.

Yeah. I mean, I kind of have to admit that I feel the same way. And maybe it's because I'm a mom and my kid's 14. But then I also thought like the officer that is questioning her. She's a woman. And I was actually kind of watching her approach and I thought, geez, this is a really good approach.

Yeah. I mean, I kind of have to admit that I feel the same way. And maybe it's because I'm a mom and my kid's 14. But then I also thought like the officer that is questioning her. She's a woman. And I was actually kind of watching her approach and I thought, geez, this is a really good approach.

Yeah. I mean, I kind of have to admit that I feel the same way. And maybe it's because I'm a mom and my kid's 14. But then I also thought like the officer that is questioning her. She's a woman. And I was actually kind of watching her approach and I thought, geez, this is a really good approach.

That didn't help her situation because that does come up in the hour, like several times, like people repeating over and over again. But she lied so much. And I started to wonder if I was missing things that were there things that she lied about that she really didn't even need to lie about.