Anneke Lucas

The programming goes even deeper.

And of course, phones are used extensively.

Games are used extensively to keep mind patrol slaves tied to the network and callback programs and everything.

I know that brainwashing is always there.

When you look at a TV, it works as a hypnosis.

and there's so much programming of like when I say a new name, usually it's followed by suicidal thoughts and everything that I have to then watch because I was programmed to never speak out.

Yes, I'm here also recording something else, but I'm very glad that I could meet you.

So I've been public since 13 years already.

So really, it's been a very slow process.

gaining of attention of this subject and then more and more positive feedback, absolutely.

Yes, I never really suffered so much from people not believing me.

Oh, really?

Yeah, unless from trolls online, but, you know, yeah.

But it is completely crazy and that's absolutely true.

So I try to be careful, you know, the way that I speak about things because it is so crazy and I'm very mindful of that because I think it's crazy too.

It wasn't me who did it, but it's crazy.

So to speak about it, I hope that I can...

Speak about it and also write about it in a way that people can understand it on a deeper level psychologically also.

I mean, you know, nothing really has, it hasn't stopped clearly, but I don't think it's more.

I do see maybe a push in which, you know, in the 1970s when I was growing up, we also had a push to normalize pedophilia then.