Anneke Lucas

Nothing's ever happened.

No.

No, not at all.

Exactly, above the law.

And, you know, it's not as if I'm going to name someone that something's going to happen.

But I do get threats.

And, of course, I always have to measure.

It's just me, you know, so I have to measure what I feel comfortable with.

And I also, of course, have been programmed to not name people.

So I also have to deal with my own kind of trauma that comes in.

There's so much programming of like when I say a new name, usually it's followed by,

by suicidal thoughts and everything that I have to then watch because I was programmed to never speak out.

Yeah.

It is exactly like that.

I don't think it was exactly that because it was the German original version.

The MK-Ultra is the combination of the German with the American.

So Americans were already doing that here.

And then after the war, Operation Paperclip brought all these scientists here, which were basically the Nazi doctors that were doing that in Germany.

So I got the original German version and they combined the two here.

Yes, and those are put in with repetition and torture at the same time so that normally A leads to B. So it goes with having the memories in the first place because you get dissociated in the process.