Annie Jacobsen
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And Billy Wa, being Billy Wa, who will go to any lengths to do the job, decides to conduct reconnaissance from inside the dumpster. And that is where he is when he takes the picture of Imad Mugnia living so comfortably in Saudi that Mugnia, according to Billy, came out of his apartment building with dry cleaner plastic bag hangers over his shoulder. That's how comfortable. He lived there.
And Billy Wa, being Billy Wa, who will go to any lengths to do the job, decides to conduct reconnaissance from inside the dumpster. And that is where he is when he takes the picture of Imad Mugnia living so comfortably in Saudi that Mugnia, according to Billy, came out of his apartment building with dry cleaner plastic bag hangers over his shoulder. That's how comfortable. He lived there.
It was his neighborhood. Click, click, click. Billy Wah takes the photographs, runs them to the CIA headquarters in Saudi at the embassy. Oh my God, it's Mugnia. Get the hell out of here. He gets to the airport. He leaves. Those photographs get sent to the agency and then they do the operation with Mossad and Mugnia's dead.
It was his neighborhood. Click, click, click. Billy Wah takes the photographs, runs them to the CIA headquarters in Saudi at the embassy. Oh my God, it's Mugnia. Get the hell out of here. He gets to the airport. He leaves. Those photographs get sent to the agency and then they do the operation with Mossad and Mugnia's dead.
It was his neighborhood. Click, click, click. Billy Wah takes the photographs, runs them to the CIA headquarters in Saudi at the embassy. Oh my God, it's Mugnia. Get the hell out of here. He gets to the airport. He leaves. Those photographs get sent to the agency and then they do the operation with Mossad and Mugnia's dead.
Now, the truth about that being a co-CIA mission was not reported for many years after the fact. It was originally, Mossad took credit, as the CIA often likes to just give other people credit. They just want the job done.
Now, the truth about that being a co-CIA mission was not reported for many years after the fact. It was originally, Mossad took credit, as the CIA often likes to just give other people credit. They just want the job done.
Now, the truth about that being a co-CIA mission was not reported for many years after the fact. It was originally, Mossad took credit, as the CIA often likes to just give other people credit. They just want the job done.
That's a really interesting question. I... I don't know. And here's why. It's because I've never interviewed any intelligence officer with those other agencies. Right? I've interviewed a couple people with Shin Bet in Israel. But... Until I speak to an actual source whose job it was, I don't know.
That's a really interesting question. I... I don't know. And here's why. It's because I've never interviewed any intelligence officer with those other agencies. Right? I've interviewed a couple people with Shin Bet in Israel. But... Until I speak to an actual source whose job it was, I don't know.
That's a really interesting question. I... I don't know. And here's why. It's because I've never interviewed any intelligence officer with those other agencies. Right? I've interviewed a couple people with Shin Bet in Israel. But... Until I speak to an actual source whose job it was, I don't know.
And so the information that I'm getting is based on perception of others, which one would think would be deeply clouded by the idea that America is the greatest. Right. Right. We're better than them, you know?
And so the information that I'm getting is based on perception of others, which one would think would be deeply clouded by the idea that America is the greatest. Right. Right. We're better than them, you know?
And so the information that I'm getting is based on perception of others, which one would think would be deeply clouded by the idea that America is the greatest. Right. Right. We're better than them, you know?
Well, that's just like multiple sourcing, right?
Well, that's just like multiple sourcing, right?
Well, that's just like multiple sourcing, right?
So you find the story out and then you have to, you go to the National Archives and you find the operation and then you learn all about this and then you interview other people who were there and you put the story together to the best of your ability and you make very specific choices with, you know, quote, so-and-so said, end quote, said so-and-so, right? Yeah.
So you find the story out and then you have to, you go to the National Archives and you find the operation and then you learn all about this and then you interview other people who were there and you put the story together to the best of your ability and you make very specific choices with, you know, quote, so-and-so said, end quote, said so-and-so, right? Yeah.
So you find the story out and then you have to, you go to the National Archives and you find the operation and then you learn all about this and then you interview other people who were there and you put the story together to the best of your ability and you make very specific choices with, you know, quote, so-and-so said, end quote, said so-and-so, right? Yeah.