Annie Jacobsen

And I think this is a terrible idea. But what has happened, these biometric systems that have been created, and biometrics are, of course, fingerprints, facial images, DNA, and iris scans that allow you to tag, track, and locate people. And what has happened in the five years since this question was first on everybody's minds about NSA surveillance is that the civilian sector companies

And I think this is a terrible idea. But what has happened, these biometric systems that have been created, and biometrics are, of course, fingerprints, facial images, DNA, and iris scans that allow you to tag, track, and locate people. And what has happened in the five years since this question was first on everybody's minds about NSA surveillance is that the civilian sector companies

have essentially done all the Defense Department's biometric surveillance job for them. By all of us sharing our facially recognizable images on Instagram and Facebook and everywhere else, X, by sharing information, by writing up narratives about ourselves, So this information has become part of the database.

have essentially done all the Defense Department's biometric surveillance job for them. By all of us sharing our facially recognizable images on Instagram and Facebook and everywhere else, X, by sharing information, by writing up narratives about ourselves, So this information has become part of the database.

have essentially done all the Defense Department's biometric surveillance job for them. By all of us sharing our facially recognizable images on Instagram and Facebook and everywhere else, X, by sharing information, by writing up narratives about ourselves, So this information has become part of the database.

Five years ago, when I was reporting First Platoon, I was interviewing the police chief of El Segundo, which is kind of like on the outskirts of L.A. It's right near the airport. And why it's important is because it's like defense contractor haven, okay? So they have like, you know, massive surveillance.

Five years ago, when I was reporting First Platoon, I was interviewing the police chief of El Segundo, which is kind of like on the outskirts of L.A. It's right near the airport. And why it's important is because it's like defense contractor haven, okay? So they have like, you know, massive surveillance.

Five years ago, when I was reporting First Platoon, I was interviewing the police chief of El Segundo, which is kind of like on the outskirts of L.A. It's right near the airport. And why it's important is because it's like defense contractor haven, okay? So they have like, you know, massive surveillance.

And Chief Whalen, when I posed this question to him, he said to me, Annie, let me show you something. And he had Clearwater AI, the recognition software, on his phone. And this was still when it was like quasi not supposed to have to have that for law enforcement. And he said, I want you to go down the block and I want you to just turn the corner and come back toward me. Right. Which I did.

And Chief Whalen, when I posed this question to him, he said to me, Annie, let me show you something. And he had Clearwater AI, the recognition software, on his phone. And this was still when it was like quasi not supposed to have to have that for law enforcement. And he said, I want you to go down the block and I want you to just turn the corner and come back toward me. Right. Which I did.

And Chief Whalen, when I posed this question to him, he said to me, Annie, let me show you something. And he had Clearwater AI, the recognition software, on his phone. And this was still when it was like quasi not supposed to have to have that for law enforcement. And he said, I want you to go down the block and I want you to just turn the corner and come back toward me. Right. Which I did.

And he just didn't even hold up his phone. He just kind of looked like his hand. And his phone was on me. And he went back down. It was like tiniest movement. And when I came back to him, he went like this and he showed me. There I was. Everything about me. Everything about me, facts and figures and all images. And he knew who I was before I even got to him. So is that a good thing or a bad thing?

And he just didn't even hold up his phone. He just kind of looked like his hand. And his phone was on me. And he went back down. It was like tiniest movement. And when I came back to him, he went like this and he showed me. There I was. Everything about me. Everything about me, facts and figures and all images. And he knew who I was before I even got to him. So is that a good thing or a bad thing?

And he just didn't even hold up his phone. He just kind of looked like his hand. And his phone was on me. And he went back down. It was like tiniest movement. And when I came back to him, he went like this and he showed me. There I was. Everything about me. Everything about me, facts and figures and all images. And he knew who I was before I even got to him. So is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I mean, we could have another three-hour conversation about that alone.

I mean, we could have another three-hour conversation about that alone.

I mean, we could have another three-hour conversation about that alone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.