Annie Jacobsen

And this is the lesson that is never learned and seems to be going in only one direction in terms of existential threat.

You look at the atomic bomb.

It's the old, we hope it will work and not set the atmosphere on fire.

Then you look at recombinant DNA in the 1970s when...

When biologists first figured out that they could combine DNA, there were massive discussions among scientists to curtail this technology.

And it just kind of evaporated from people's minds, and then suddenly you have CRISPR.

And again, these are all the dual-use issues.

No doubt, medicines, antivirals, things that can help the people.

Like skin of a deceased person?

That's really frightening.

Probably not.

And what's even more remarkable to me about that is that's Japan.

And Japan follows treaties and rules about human testing and whatnot.

And imagine what is going on in countries that don't adhere to those treaties.

They're there for the CCP.

Which is where you get that chicken and egg paradox that we talked about earlier having to do with strong defense, your theory of the military-industrial complex.

Well, you have adversaries and enemies who not only benefit from intellectual property theft, they steal the technology that our R&D has spent decades working on and developing.

They just take that so they begin –

With almost no cost.

And then they don't have the same set of rules.