Ansgar Dietrichs

a full Ethereum block within five seconds, something like that.

And that's basically the promised land.

Because now we have all the technological building blocks, and now we can talk about the rollout and all these things, but we have all the, like, from the cryptography side, we now finally, for the very first time ever, we have all the elements we need to run a general purpose blockchain at real-time proving speeds.

And that's something that has never been possible before.

So of course, we're not there yet, but that's kind of that's where we're going.

And so why is this useful?

So coming back to scaling, right, I said that there's basically three main elements of scaling.

There's the bandwidth, the IO, and then the actual compute.

Now,

The amazing thing about real-time ZKVM is that it actually is the core of a broad, like the way I would say it is like it helps us scale all three of these, but not just on its own, but it's basically, it's the unlocking piece that allows, that basically enables a broader transition that addresses all of these elements of scaling.

And so that's why when we talk about ZKVM, to me, it's more like the most exciting element of this broader change.

And that's why when you said at the top of the podcast, this might be the biggest change ever, I would agree, not just the ZKVM itself, we're talking a second about statelessness, about data availability sampling, like all these things come together to unlock this.

And so let's take it step by step.

The one of those three constraints, the one immediate impact you get is on the compute side, right?

So because that's the nature of ZK proofs, right?

You basically, you're able with very little compute effort on the verification side to verify arbitrary length execution.

So no matter how much you fill the block, now, of course, we can talk about constraints.

They're still block building.

Some node somewhere needs to do that.

So it's not...