Anthony DeMarco

And Sam Erickson cost them a lot of regulation wins this past year.

So I think getting a guy like Joseph Wall, who was kind of on the outs a little bit, from what I heard the Flyers told John Chayka very early on in the process, like we want nothing to do with Anthony Stolarz.

So they kind of knew that you had to move off of Joseph Wall or if you want to go down the road of Dennis Hildeby.

And the cost certainty is a big one, too, for the Flyers.

The 3.7, I believe, for this coming year and next.

And I believe he's the same age as Dan Flodar.

So it all kind of lined up perfectly for the Flyers to get two goalies in their late 20s and two guys who, when healthy, have been really good tandem goaltenders at the very least.

Yeah, it's a great point, Steve, because he was a really good backup when they had Carter Hart.

That was the 23-24 season.

And it was as soon as Hart got taken out of the picture, for all the reasons we know, and Urson became the guy where it started falling off a cliff.

And I think a lot of that is in Urson's fault.

Like we're probably going to get into John Tortorella later, but he rode Samerson into the ground.

And as we saw in the cup finals, John Tortorella gets very committed to goaltenders.

And their backup goaltenders before they signed Dan Vladar was like a rotating cast of Felix Sandstrom, who's not in North America anymore.

Cal Peterson, who was horrendous after like one or two good seasons.

The Ivan Fedotov experiment was a complete disaster.

Alexei Kolesov.

So a lot of it was just Ersin being thrown to the wolves.

And I do think that did hurt his development 100%.

But this year was very peculiar to me because Dan Vladar, almost from the onset of training camp, became