Anthony Rubin

You know, again, at its core is that this is national suicide and people don't, the general population doesn't realize it.

And then beyond that,

it's just opportunist, clearly, and people don't, you could say they hate the country, you could say they simply don't give a damn, but whatever it is, that's ultimately why this is allowed to continue, I mean, at the highest level, 100%.

And, you know, it's this adherence to, like, international norms, in quotes, you know?

You had, like, the 1951 UN Refugee Convention, and that came after World War II, and then you had the 1967 Protocol, which, so the 1951 Convention basically said, you know, you have to...

take care of these refugees.

Like there were so many stateless people after World War II, you know, you have to give them a place of safe haven.

You can't kick them back to a country where they could be facing persecution.

But the 1951 UN protocol only applied from that moment and before.

So any future events, you know, the 1951 protocol didn't apply.

Then you had the 1967 protocol, right?

which basically said, OK, now going forward, this is the 1951 convention is going to cover everything going forward.

And so you have a lot of countries now that have basically enshrined this in law.

I don't know what it is in Spain.

In the United States, it's the Refugee Act of 1980.

And if we didn't have that, for example, you know, a lot of the people that come over here that are just economic migrants claiming that they're refugees and they really have no standing, but they claim that they're facing some sort of violence.

The only reason why this whole system exists where they come here, we catch them, we give them a court date and release them is because of the 1980 Refugee Act, which is built on this 1967 protocol.

And so my point is, it's this idea of these international post-World War II norms that, you know,

Well, it's stoppable.

But, you know, how reversible is it?