Anthony Scaramucci

is now in an active conflict with Iran.

We've had ethnic conflicts all over the place, starting with the Gulf War I in 1990.

So does this cycle of your novel also fit our times?

Are we trying to also get a metaphorical release?

from the generational warfare that we're under.

Okay.

So, yeah, I'm raised Catholic, so we definitely believe that.

I grew up in your neighborhood.

I've been to more bar mitzvahs than baptisms.

I grew up in your neighborhood.

See, that was a Wednesday for us out on Long Island.

Okay, so let's go to Eastern thought, because one of the things that maybe we both believe, if I could have a presupposition here, is that maybe the cycle does end when the lesson is learned, as you're surmising in the book.

And so what was it about the Arcadian?

What was it about Telamon?

And finally, he's being asked to learn something that he couldn't learn in Thermopylae.

He couldn't learn in, am I pronouncing it right, Hydaspis?

How do you say it?

Right.

So he can't, he doesn't learn it there.

He doesn't learn it on the road to Corinth.