Anthony Scaramucci

And by the way, I lived it as a 20 year old and I don't remember all of it, but you brought it all back to life for me.

So why, why did you pick that subject material before we actually get into the book?

I'm going to throw a theory at you.

Okay.

What part of Detroit did you grow up in, by the way?

My family, I have family in Ferndale, so I'm in Detroit a lot, actually.

I'm going to throw a theory at you.

I think we've had this in our culture from the beginning.

I think that we've had atavism, we've had nativism, we've had racism, obviously, with the original sin of slavery in the culture.

And we have two things going on in America.

We have this soaring aspirational America,

that wants to create a more perfect union, and we want to figure out a way to make all of these disparate people and these different ethnic cultures mesh in America.

We have that soaring part of America, but then we also have this knuckle-dragging part of America that's been with us forever.

Jill Lepore writes about it in her book about American history.

You're writing about it here.

Am I right about that, Heather, or am I not seeing it correctly?

You remember the Paul Castellano shooting?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

It's a year after this, right?