Anushka Asthana

But there were also places like in Peterborough where the community did look and feel really different and it had happened at speed. And some of the people were saying, well, This has just kind of blown our minds and we're kind of not ready for this speed of change. And the local GP was saying, look, I can't deny that this has put pressure on us.

But there were also places like in Peterborough where the community did look and feel really different and it had happened at speed. And some of the people were saying, well, This has just kind of blown our minds and we're kind of not ready for this speed of change. And the local GP was saying, look, I can't deny that this has put pressure on us.

So I suppose it's like, how do you disentangle all these different arguments?

So I suppose it's like, how do you disentangle all these different arguments?

Yeah, but where do you get the money from? So in one of those places I was talking about in 2016, I was in Lee in Greater Manchester and there were like three people screaming at me about immigration whilst we were making this film. That sounds stressful. Interestingly. It was stressful. And interestingly, one of them was black. One of them was Polish.

Yeah, but where do you get the money from? So in one of those places I was talking about in 2016, I was in Lee in Greater Manchester and there were like three people screaming at me about immigration whilst we were making this film. That sounds stressful. Interestingly. It was stressful. And interestingly, one of them was black. One of them was Polish.

I mean, it was quite an eye-opening moment for me. But there was this, you know, young black mum who was basically shouting about immigrants. But when I talked to her about it, what I realised was her daughter didn't have a school place. And that was the problem. And if you fixed the problem, then...

I mean, it was quite an eye-opening moment for me. But there was this, you know, young black mum who was basically shouting about immigrants. But when I talked to her about it, what I realised was her daughter didn't have a school place. And that was the problem. And if you fixed the problem, then...

Maybe she wouldn't be so worried about immigration, which I have to say, I do think the 2010 example in Barking and Dagenham was about that. They were like, if you fix the eyesore gardens, then people will stop blaming the Africans. And so you can deal with the myths. Now, whether or not they carry that now into a national government, it's hard to know and hard to see. And the problems are vast.

Maybe she wouldn't be so worried about immigration, which I have to say, I do think the 2010 example in Barking and Dagenham was about that. They were like, if you fix the eyesore gardens, then people will stop blaming the Africans. And so you can deal with the myths. Now, whether or not they carry that now into a national government, it's hard to know and hard to see. And the problems are vast.

And like I say, where do you get the money from? I mean, it's a difficult time.

And like I say, where do you get the money from? I mean, it's a difficult time.

No, of course not. I mean, there's huge arguments in all directions when it comes to immigration. You know, the reality is that lots of immigrants are working people who pay tax as well as, you know, using things from the state. But it also is the case that people are worried about levels of immigration. And they can be worried about it without being racist.

No, of course not. I mean, there's huge arguments in all directions when it comes to immigration. You know, the reality is that lots of immigrants are working people who pay tax as well as, you know, using things from the state. But it also is the case that people are worried about levels of immigration. And they can be worried about it without being racist.

And I think it's just disentangling that and then working out what the policy response to it is.

And I think it's just disentangling that and then working out what the policy response to it is.

I mean, they've definitely left themselves with wiggle room around capital gains, inheritance tax and so on. But in terms of the ones that they said they weren't going to raise, which is... Income tax, VAT, national insurance and corporation tax. The big row is going to be over the fact that they now want to raise employer national insurance contributions. Was that what the manifesto said or not?

I mean, they've definitely left themselves with wiggle room around capital gains, inheritance tax and so on. But in terms of the ones that they said they weren't going to raise, which is... Income tax, VAT, national insurance and corporation tax. The big row is going to be over the fact that they now want to raise employer national insurance contributions. Was that what the manifesto said or not?

They argue that half the sentence mentioned working people. So therefore, it's OK to whack the tax on employers. I mean, I'm going to be on the Peston programme later today and we're going to be looking through the statistics about really, if you increase national insurance on employers, there's still a chance that it feeds through to employees in terms of lower wage increase over time.

They argue that half the sentence mentioned working people. So therefore, it's OK to whack the tax on employers. I mean, I'm going to be on the Peston programme later today and we're going to be looking through the statistics about really, if you increase national insurance on employers, there's still a chance that it feeds through to employees in terms of lower wage increase over time.