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Aoife Clifford

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

It's a fictional version of the life of Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

Lawyer, policy wonk, presidential candidate.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

And it follows reality to a certain degree and then it takes a big right-hand turn.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

Or is that left-hand turn?

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

So Nicole, Nicole Aberdee, let's begin with the real section.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

So we meet Hilary in 1970 at uni and she's quite a cool cat.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

So Hillary sees him, as you said, like a lion, sort of big in stature and lion-like.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

And I was thinking of Aslan from the Narnia books.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

But it turns out that Bill has a preconception about Hillary.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

And that's because a year earlier, before they kind of get into their romantic entanglement, his mother had clipped an article out of Life magazine about her and sent it to him in Oxford saying that she was one of the smartest people around.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

So he already knew that she was an incredibly dynamite thinker.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

Now, that's really interesting, Simon, because as I was reading it, I was thinking, gosh, if I'd ever read a biography or autobiography of Hillary Clinton's, I would know where to place this as a piece of writing.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

But because I haven't, I didn't know whether it was being fresh or a bit tongue in cheek or caricature-ish of them.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

What did you see?

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

It's one of the great American stories of our times, Bill and Hillary, perhaps along with Brad and Angelina Jolie and Beyonce and Jay-Z, maybe even Obama.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

John and Jackie?

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

John and Jackie, and maybe even President Trump and Melania.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

But what is at the heart of the Bill and Hillary story is he's one of the great feminist thinkers who had to stand by her man.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

And it was that humiliation, which is then repeated by her loss of the presidential race to Donald Trump, which is another humiliation she experienced.

The Bookshelf
Summer Bookshelf and The Dry on screen plus novels by Laura Jean McKay, Curtis Sittenfeld & Mieko Kawakami

But it's that that makes me think this is a kind of piece of wish fulfilment, like the way Quentin Tarantino's Inglourious Bastards was a kind of revenge fantasy rewriting the Nazi disaster, the Holocaust, for a kind of, yeah, it was like wish fulfilment.