Ari Matti

And for me, that sounds amazing, right?

But then I remember we started having, because it was turning, we had blues nights on Tuesdays, and the owner would fly out from America, like New Orleans, these 65-year-old black dudes that live a rough life.

You can see from their face, from the way they move, it's been a rough life.

And the way they would sing, maybe technically, it wouldn't be...

sound as clean but what you would feel because I was bartending and I would look at the audiences and I would see them also you feel it right you can't explain dude I don't know of course later when I got to be friends some musicians there they would explain they would be like no no no that guy the other guy was doing the basic ABC he's doing a whole different shit right now right so it's something that only the people that really know how to play recognize like stand up right but I feel it

Because I remember, I even remember when there was, remember Pier to Pier before Torrance?

It was Pier to Pier.

Sure.

What did you guys have?

Kazaa, iMesh?

Metallica Suit Napster, you know?

It's like that cartoon when Tom and Jerry, when he's trying to dissipate shinking.

But even live touring was on a down slope because you didn't need to do that that much.

Record sales was the bag.

That's why Madonna went back on tour.

I mean, I don't know this, but that's why.

For sure.

But there's a lot of bands that went back on tour for that very reason.

Uh-huh.

Crazy.