Ari Shapiro

Wow, that's a lot of money.

I guess that makes sense because if we think of a tariff as a tax, we know that sales taxes disproportionately influence people who make less money. If this makes things cost more, it's going to have a disproportionate impact on people who earn less.

I guess that makes sense because if we think of a tariff as a tax, we know that sales taxes disproportionately influence people who make less money. If this makes things cost more, it's going to have a disproportionate impact on people who earn less.

I guess that makes sense because if we think of a tariff as a tax, we know that sales taxes disproportionately influence people who make less money. If this makes things cost more, it's going to have a disproportionate impact on people who earn less.

Right. Well, if that's the impact on the individual, let's talk about the impact on nations. You have looked at how damaging the system of tariffs is likely to be to the gross domestic product of various countries around the world. Who are the biggest winners and losers?

Right. Well, if that's the impact on the individual, let's talk about the impact on nations. You have looked at how damaging the system of tariffs is likely to be to the gross domestic product of various countries around the world. Who are the biggest winners and losers?

Right. Well, if that's the impact on the individual, let's talk about the impact on nations. You have looked at how damaging the system of tariffs is likely to be to the gross domestic product of various countries around the world. Who are the biggest winners and losers?

The United States loses the most.

The United States loses the most.

The United States loses the most.

In terms of its gross domestic product. Well, how does China fare in all of this, given that it is the primary target above all others so far?

In terms of its gross domestic product. Well, how does China fare in all of this, given that it is the primary target above all others so far?

In terms of its gross domestic product. Well, how does China fare in all of this, given that it is the primary target above all others so far?

Martha Gimbel is the executive director and co-founder of the Budget Lab at Yale University. Thank you so much for taking this shopping trip with us.

Martha Gimbel is the executive director and co-founder of the Budget Lab at Yale University. Thank you so much for taking this shopping trip with us.

Martha Gimbel is the executive director and co-founder of the Budget Lab at Yale University. Thank you so much for taking this shopping trip with us.

This episode was produced by Erica Ryan and Connor Donovan with audio engineering by Simon Laszlo Janssen. It was edited by Christopher Intagliata. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Ari Shapiro.

This episode was produced by Erica Ryan and Connor Donovan with audio engineering by Simon Laszlo Janssen. It was edited by Christopher Intagliata. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Ari Shapiro.

This episode was produced by Erica Ryan and Connor Donovan with audio engineering by Simon Laszlo Janssen. It was edited by Christopher Intagliata. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Ari Shapiro.

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