Ari Shapiro

On X, Musk said he believes, quote, big money fraud is happening. In this episode, we'll get to the impact of Doge operating at CMS. But first, a quick reminder of what these programs actually do. Medicare insures older people. Medicaid offers insurance to low-income people and those with disabilities. Consider this.

On X, Musk said he believes, quote, big money fraud is happening. In this episode, we'll get to the impact of Doge operating at CMS. But first, a quick reminder of what these programs actually do. Medicare insures older people. Medicaid offers insurance to low-income people and those with disabilities. Consider this.

On X, Musk said he believes, quote, big money fraud is happening. In this episode, we'll get to the impact of Doge operating at CMS. But first, a quick reminder of what these programs actually do. Medicare insures older people. Medicaid offers insurance to low-income people and those with disabilities. Consider this.

These two health insurance programs serve tens of millions of people, and they consume a huge part of federal and state budgets. So how could Doge impact these services? From NPR, I'm Ari Shapiro. It's Consider This from NPR. Medicare provides health care to 66 million people who are 65 and older. Medicaid serves 80 million low-income people and disabled Americans.

These two health insurance programs serve tens of millions of people, and they consume a huge part of federal and state budgets. So how could Doge impact these services? From NPR, I'm Ari Shapiro. It's Consider This from NPR. Medicare provides health care to 66 million people who are 65 and older. Medicaid serves 80 million low-income people and disabled Americans.

These two health insurance programs serve tens of millions of people, and they consume a huge part of federal and state budgets. So how could Doge impact these services? From NPR, I'm Ari Shapiro. It's Consider This from NPR. Medicare provides health care to 66 million people who are 65 and older. Medicaid serves 80 million low-income people and disabled Americans.

To understand how Elon Musk's Department of Government efficiency might impact those services, we've invited two former senior government officials to join us. Kathleen Sebelius was Health and Human Services Secretary under President Obama. And Mark McClellan was Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator under President George W. Bush. Good to have you both here. Great to be with you, Ari.

To understand how Elon Musk's Department of Government efficiency might impact those services, we've invited two former senior government officials to join us. Kathleen Sebelius was Health and Human Services Secretary under President Obama. And Mark McClellan was Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator under President George W. Bush. Good to have you both here. Great to be with you, Ari.

To understand how Elon Musk's Department of Government efficiency might impact those services, we've invited two former senior government officials to join us. Kathleen Sebelius was Health and Human Services Secretary under President Obama. And Mark McClellan was Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator under President George W. Bush. Good to have you both here. Great to be with you, Ari.

Good to be with you. How big a part of the overall U.S. health care system are these programs?

Good to be with you. How big a part of the overall U.S. health care system are these programs?

Good to be with you. How big a part of the overall U.S. health care system are these programs?

So Kathleen, when you saw Elon Musk post on X that Medicare and Medicaid were where the big money, in his words, fraud is happening, did that ring true to you? Was that a big concern of yours when you ran HHS?

So Kathleen, when you saw Elon Musk post on X that Medicare and Medicaid were where the big money, in his words, fraud is happening, did that ring true to you? Was that a big concern of yours when you ran HHS?

So Kathleen, when you saw Elon Musk post on X that Medicare and Medicaid were where the big money, in his words, fraud is happening, did that ring true to you? Was that a big concern of yours when you ran HHS?

Mark, how did you react to seeing that post from Elon Musk?

Mark, how did you react to seeing that post from Elon Musk?

Mark, how did you react to seeing that post from Elon Musk?

Do you fear that this – mission to eliminate waste and fraud could be a pretext for making broader sweeping changes to Medicare and Medicaid that are not actually motivated by waste and fraud and don't actually address waste and fraud?

Do you fear that this – mission to eliminate waste and fraud could be a pretext for making broader sweeping changes to Medicare and Medicaid that are not actually motivated by waste and fraud and don't actually address waste and fraud?