Ariel Helwani

And WWE fans are the most loyal.

They will literally follow them everywhere.

They start a new network, a streaming platform, they go there.

They go to Peacock, they go there.

They'll go to ESPN Unlimited or whatever this is going to be called.

And so this, to me, is a home run.

You want those people.

It's going to be interesting to see how many of these shows, these PLEs, actually get on ESPN Linear.

Because they hinted at a few...

the pay-per-views, whatever you want to call them, are going to be on.

Some are going to be on linear, meaning you'll turn on channel 206 if you have DirecTV and there it is.

I'm curious because to me, it makes no sense to do that.

You want people to subscribe to get this, right?

Same with UFC.

That's why the CBS ones are going to be few and far between because they want ultimately people.

How do they get their money back?

Subscribing to Paramount Plus or ESPN Unlimited.

Can we call them money grabs?

I mean, you're the one that just said it was a safe space.

I say it's great.