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Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

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136 total appearances

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LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

The fly-like behavior the viewer sees is a product of the body model, not the brain.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

The digitized connectome may be producing meaningful internal dynamics, but this demo cannot tell us whether it is.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

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LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

What would actually count as uploading a fly?

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

So if what Eon built isn't an upload, what would be?

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

The word upload carries a claim that a model and simulation do not.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

When one says they've modeled or simulated a fly, they're saying they've captured some elements of the original insect's behavior, but with significant simplifications and assumptions.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

If instead they say they've uploaded a fly, they're making a claim about the fly itself.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

That its identity has been faithfully transferred into a new medium, that the thing in the computer in some sense is the fly, just running on a different substrate.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

When you upload a photo, the file on your computer is the photo.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

Nobody says I've partially uploaded this photo to mean I've made a rough sketch inspired by it.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

An uploaded fly, then, should be able to do everything the original fly could do.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

It should be playable forward in time indefinitely, responding to novel situations as the original would have.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

It should serve as a faithful proxy for the real thing.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

So much so that a neuroscientist could peer inside, observe realistic equivalents of neurophysiology, and run experiments that would be impractical or impossible on a biological fly, with confidence that the results would generalize back.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

The leading proposal for how to actually achieve this is whole-brain emulation.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

Faithfully recreating the brain's causal mechanisms at whatever level of detail turns out to be necessary so that the digital system behaves identically to the original.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

This is what distinguishes emulation from simulation.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

A weather simulation is useful, it can predict next week's temperature with reasonable accuracy, but it breaks down when pushed further out because its approximations are coarser than the actual atmospheric processes of real weather.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"No, we haven’t uploaded a fly yet" by Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston

In contrast, one can run an emulation of the Nintendo 64 game Banjo-Kazooie on a laptop, and because the emulator faithfully recreates the logic of the N64's hardware, the processor, the memory, the graphics pipeline, the game will never fail to behave as it would have on the original console.