Arthur Allen

So that was kind of a big fall on your face moment for public health? And then following that, there were started to be lawsuits over the whooping cough vaccine. The whooping cough vaccine, the whole cell pertussis vaccine had been around since the 30s, but there had been reports sort of all along that it was a very reactive vaccine. And if you talk to the vaccine experts,

So that was kind of a big fall on your face moment for public health? And then following that, there were started to be lawsuits over the whooping cough vaccine. The whooping cough vaccine, the whole cell pertussis vaccine had been around since the 30s, but there had been reports sort of all along that it was a very reactive vaccine. And if you talk to the vaccine experts,

So that was kind of a big fall on your face moment for public health? And then following that, there were started to be lawsuits over the whooping cough vaccine. The whooping cough vaccine, the whole cell pertussis vaccine had been around since the 30s, but there had been reports sort of all along that it was a very reactive vaccine. And if you talk to the vaccine experts,

Reactive doesn't mean the same as dangerous, but for a parent whose kid gets the vaccine and they have 103 fever or, you know, they have seizures, which, you know, can be benign, but like are terrifying. You know, it was a nasty piece of work. It was also very effective.

Reactive doesn't mean the same as dangerous, but for a parent whose kid gets the vaccine and they have 103 fever or, you know, they have seizures, which, you know, can be benign, but like are terrifying. You know, it was a nasty piece of work. It was also very effective.

Reactive doesn't mean the same as dangerous, but for a parent whose kid gets the vaccine and they have 103 fever or, you know, they have seizures, which, you know, can be benign, but like are terrifying. You know, it was a nasty piece of work. It was also very effective.

But there were a number of cases of lawsuits starting in the early 80s, and it was starting to really catch on as a legal issue, like, you know, asbestos or something.

But there were a number of cases of lawsuits starting in the early 80s, and it was starting to really catch on as a legal issue, like, you know, asbestos or something.

But there were a number of cases of lawsuits starting in the early 80s, and it was starting to really catch on as a legal issue, like, you know, asbestos or something.

And this was, you know, a crisis for the vaccination program because a bunch of, you know, vaccine makers were getting out of the business. They were like frightened of the liability issue. They weren't making a lot of money on these vaccines anyway. I mean, Pertussis vaccine at the time probably cost like 15 cents a dose or something.

And this was, you know, a crisis for the vaccination program because a bunch of, you know, vaccine makers were getting out of the business. They were like frightened of the liability issue. They weren't making a lot of money on these vaccines anyway. I mean, Pertussis vaccine at the time probably cost like 15 cents a dose or something.

And this was, you know, a crisis for the vaccination program because a bunch of, you know, vaccine makers were getting out of the business. They were like frightened of the liability issue. They weren't making a lot of money on these vaccines anyway. I mean, Pertussis vaccine at the time probably cost like 15 cents a dose or something.

So in sort of more contemporary times, that was the first big, like, anti-vaccine skepticism moment.

So in sort of more contemporary times, that was the first big, like, anti-vaccine skepticism moment.

So in sort of more contemporary times, that was the first big, like, anti-vaccine skepticism moment.

That's right. And also it's important to point along that sort of all along during the period of when vaccines are causing this or that sort of minor issue, there's a parallel universe in which vaccines are like causing everything. And so... What do you mean? Like blamed for like...

That's right. And also it's important to point along that sort of all along during the period of when vaccines are causing this or that sort of minor issue, there's a parallel universe in which vaccines are like causing everything. And so... What do you mean? Like blamed for like...

That's right. And also it's important to point along that sort of all along during the period of when vaccines are causing this or that sort of minor issue, there's a parallel universe in which vaccines are like causing everything. And so... What do you mean? Like blamed for like...

causing kids to be autistic, causing, you know, rock and roll, causing, you know, headbanging, causing, you know, crime. I mean, the pertussis vaccine was blamed for, like, everything. I mean, the anti-vaccine movement really kind of had a moment of incredible growth during all of that.

causing kids to be autistic, causing, you know, rock and roll, causing, you know, headbanging, causing, you know, crime. I mean, the pertussis vaccine was blamed for, like, everything. I mean, the anti-vaccine movement really kind of had a moment of incredible growth during all of that.