Arthur Brooks

They're a big wrong turn philosophically, but they're also a wrong turn neurobiologically.

Yeah, yeah.

And the whole idea is that if we dig a little deeper, we'll find it.

We dig a little deeper, we'll find it.

You're digging, like when you're in a hole.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now, this is important because this is, you know, a classic mistake that people make.

This is a conceit that people have.

I talked to a guy one time who was a big part of the war on poverty in America, which was this idea that we're going to be able to wipe out poverty with social programs, with social welfare service.

And it did a lot.

I mean, social welfare programs did a lot to lower caloric needs and make sure there's more public access to education and all kinds of good stuff.

But the truth of the matter is that after a certain point, it starts to wire in pathologies.

Actually, it makes it harder for people to actually become independent, et cetera.

Because they become reliant on the money?

That's the idea.

Yeah, that's the whole idea of this.

It's certainly not true for everybody, but it's certainly true for other people.

And I asked him, who is one of the architects in this war on poverty, what would have made it that would truly have won?

You really wiped out poverty once and for all.