Arthur C. Brooks

And that suffering, ironically, itself became a source of meaning in her life as she went through growth and change.

That's what...

Yeah, totally.

And so not to mention the fact that we have a youth-obsessed culture when it comes to physical suffering that says, well, there's got to be a way I can turn back the clock with this alteration, that alteration, this exercise program, this filter on my Instagram.

At least people can think that I'm a lot younger than I am.

And all that does is it makes it impossible for you to grow and change at an appropriate rate and understand the nature of the suffering that you're experiencing.

Whether it's horrible suffering or just normal suffering, that's your teacher.

It's a source of meaning.

I sort of think so.

Me too.

Although part of that is...

Probably in your community and mine.

Yeah.

More than in the overall culture.

Look, there's a reason that people are watching your show.

There's a reason that hundreds of thousands, millions of people are watching your show.

These are people who are like, look, I've had enough.

Yeah.

Like, I'm going to be me.

Yep.