Arthur C. Brooks

And then everything that you do is all about success, worldly success, money, power, fame.

Why?

Because that's how we count our success.

That's a really important thing to keep in mind.

Now, a couple of different points.

And my second point is gonna marry up with what Oprah just said.

The first point is that you're not a work machine.

You're a human being.

You're a child of God.

You're made for something besides creating economic value is what it comes down to.

And that means you need a portfolio of things that you're doing with your life.

You need things that are actually creating value and lifting people up, including things that are not acclaimed by the world and don't result in any sort of financial compensation.

So that's a really important understanding what leisure is.

Leisure is not chilling on a beach.

leisure is really all about cultivating relationships and deepening your understanding of god and learning new things that don't even pay and you need to be able to have a part of your life that actually does that and the sooner you do that the better off you're going to be the more endurance your career is actually going to have that's point one but here's the second point and i learned this from you because what you just said is not just talk i've seen you doing this this is amazing to me people often ask me you know

What's it like hanging out with Oprah Winfrey?

Because we wrote a book together.

What's it like working with Oprah Winfrey?

It's a case study in how to do it right.

You're actually a happy person.