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Arthur Kroeber

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Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And the fundamental idea here goes back to the 1840s when you had this great Chinese empire that had been sitting around for a thousand years doing great.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

They thought they were the best in the world.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And then these upstarts from England come and crush them repeatedly militarily and impose this very humiliating political settlement on them through the Opium Wars.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

So the basic analysis among the Chinese elites was, oh, okay, we fell behind technologically, and so therefore we must catch up technologically.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

This is the central thing that we need to do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And this was kind of recognized among some elites, but it ran into a lot of encrusted political pressure in the late imperial Chinese regime.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

They didn't get very far.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

After the empire fell in 1911 –

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

You had a Republican government that basically, if you look back at the things that they were saying and doing, they're pretty similar to what the Chinese Communist Party has been saying and doing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

They just did them somewhat less effectively.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

They were dealing with civil wars and various other problems.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

But the basic insight remained the same, that we need to catch up with the West technologically.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

This is the fundamental thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

It's just a question of how do we do this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And so what the current regime in China has been able to do is to take that basic idea and actualize it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

They have been successful at this task of technological upgrading and catch-up and so forth.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

So this is really central to the conception of Chinese elite thinking, that the number one job of the government is to figure out how to mobilize the resources of Chinese society so as to maximize technology acquisition, creation, and upgrading, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

starting in the 1980s, that was a big part of the philosophy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

But the other part of the philosophy is we just have to grow as fast as possible.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And we are fairly agnostic as to where the growth comes from.