Menu
Sign In Search Podcasts Libraries Charts People & Topics Add Podcast API Blog Pricing

Arthur Kroeber

👤 Speaker
1260 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

The famous one is that they woke up in November of 2020, realized that Alibaba's financial subsidiary was about to do this gigantic IPO.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

The premise of which was that China should build a financial system that resembled that of the United States in 2005 and that this was a really smart idea.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And they said, oh, actually, that's a really dumb idea because look what that led to the U.S.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

We don't want securitization.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

We do not want this like financial risk generation that Ant Financial is trying to talk about.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

We really need to crack down on these guys.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

So they did.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

But then they were also simultaneously concerned with a lot of other things that the internet platforms were up to.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And so there was this broad-based regulation of the internet sector, which weirdly for about 20 years had operated in a complete –

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

free-for-all land of almost no regulation whatsoever except for political censorship.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

But pretty much anything else you wanted to do, you could do it with very little government interference.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

It was a strange exception to the sort of regulatory norm in China.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

They finally caught up and said, no, no, no, we have to regulate all these guys.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And so they went around to all of the internet companies and

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And basically told them there are things that you can do that are fine and there are things that you cannot do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And there are a lot of business models that you might be interested in doing, such as fintech, such as telehealth, such as kind of wider social media applications.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

That you may not do because we think it creates too much financial risk.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

We think it creates too much social stability risk.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

We think it creates too much political risk for us, the Communist Party.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And so a lot of the avenues of growth for the internet companies were shut down.