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Arthur Kroeber

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Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

it would almost certainly share many of the characteristics of the Chinese Communist Party.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

It would have a strong determination for China to be an independent geopolitical actor, taking care of its own security with very strong military so that it could defend itself against all of its real and perceived security threats.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

It would be committed, as every Chinese government since the mid-19th century has been,

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

to maximizing the rate of technological progress and making sure that as much as possible of China's core technology needs were met by domestic production rather than imports, it would be very, very similar to what we have today.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

So it's a fantasy to think that what we have a problem here is just this particular regime and you can just like get them to change their minds.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

No, the sort of Chinese approach on this is very deeply rooted

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

in both the institutional cultural history of China itself

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And its position – its geographical and geopolitical position in the world.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And so it's going to have interests that create a lot of friction and conflict with the perceived interests of the United States under any government.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And it's probably going to be quite successful at managing its economy because they've been very successful for many, many decades.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

Yeah, we don't know for sure because there really isn't reliable public polling.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

But a lot of people say that, and my perception is that that could well be true, that there is a lot.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

And all you have to do is look at the Chinese internet, the blogosphere.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

They don't have Twitter, but they have local equivalents.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

There is a lot of unfettered nationalist, highly militaristic thinking there that the government spends most of its time keeping in check.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

Every so often, they sort of unleash it because they're in a spat with Japan or whoever, and they –

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

They need to gin a popular opinion.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

But mostly they try and tamp that down.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

So a fully – a Chinese system that was fully representative of actual popular views, we don't know exactly what that might be.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China’s Manufacturing Dominance: State Directives & Ruthless Competition — Arthur Kroeber

But it could be very, very difficult to deal with.