Arthur Kroeber

And I think there's also a very strong pattern.

There's been a few good books written about this, about how American attitudes towards China in particular have tended to swing from one extreme to the other.

They are this great – Americans and Chinese are kind of the same because they're both pragmatic.

They like money.

They like business.

If you go to China, it's very easy in my experience to sort of like chat with people and get along.

So that level –

connection is fairly easy.

And then the other swing of the pendulum is that they're this enormous amorphous force that is committed to a devilish system that we don't like.

And finding the middle ground in that historically has been very, very difficult for the U.S.

to do.

Well, my expectations for this are very low.

Because I think the basic problem here is that we have on the U.S.

side, we have a sort of a collection of grievances and complaints that have not coalesced into a very coherent agenda of what we want from ourselves and what we want from China.

And if you don't know what you yourself want and you don't know what you want from the other party, it's very hard to engage in a constructive negotiation.

So I think that's my fundamental take on where we are right now.

To me, what we should be – so this is a normative statement.

What we should be aiming for is –

trying to figure out what are the terms of coexistence between the U.S.

and China in the coming years and decades.