Arturo Castro

It was incredibly violent, incredibly bloody. So before this, Oleg had this dreamy idea of what the Soviet Union was. The stuff that he had learned from his dad about how good it was to be a communist, you know. But seeing the Prague Spring finally convinced him how brutal the USSR was. Sure. So...

It was incredibly violent, incredibly bloody. So before this, Oleg had this dreamy idea of what the Soviet Union was. The stuff that he had learned from his dad about how good it was to be a communist, you know. But seeing the Prague Spring finally convinced him how brutal the USSR was. Sure. So...

Oleg was an unhappy Soviet in 1972 when one of his old friends showed up at his apartment unannounced. By the way that he was talking, Oleg realized that he was being tested by Western spies to see if he would flip, right? Chatting with his buddy, he said how disappointed he was in the Soviet Union. And it was a message to them that he was ready to cooperate in the West.

Oleg was an unhappy Soviet in 1972 when one of his old friends showed up at his apartment unannounced. By the way that he was talking, Oleg realized that he was being tested by Western spies to see if he would flip, right? Chatting with his buddy, he said how disappointed he was in the Soviet Union. And it was a message to them that he was ready to cooperate in the West.

Now, I wonder, Ed, what do you think he was saying that made him realize that he was getting recruited about the West? Yeah.

Now, I wonder, Ed, what do you think he was saying that made him realize that he was getting recruited about the West? Yeah.

Yeah, and to your point, here's where we see how clever Oleg is, right? Because he also told the KGB that he was going to go meet with a British agent. So his bosses in Moscow told him to go for it. They wanted to see if they could use Gordievsky as a false double agent to fool the British. But they didn't know that Oleg was for real, for real, ready to switch sides.

Yeah, and to your point, here's where we see how clever Oleg is, right? Because he also told the KGB that he was going to go meet with a British agent. So his bosses in Moscow told him to go for it. They wanted to see if they could use Gordievsky as a false double agent to fool the British. But they didn't know that Oleg was for real, for real, ready to switch sides.

When Oleg finally met with the British, he agreed to work with them under three conditions. First, he didn't want to attack or injure any other KGB agents. He was not like offering to become a British assassin, you know. Second, he didn't want to be secretly photographed or recorded, which makes a lot of fucking.

When Oleg finally met with the British, he agreed to work with them under three conditions. First, he didn't want to attack or injure any other KGB agents. He was not like offering to become a British assassin, you know. Second, he didn't want to be secretly photographed or recorded, which makes a lot of fucking.

I can't imagine like a spy being like, but just takes a lots of pictures of me, please. Just like make sure that you get a good one. It's for my album. And third, he would take absolutely no pay. He wasn't doing this for the money. He was doing it because he no longer believed in this and how the Soviets were running it. Right.

I can't imagine like a spy being like, but just takes a lots of pictures of me, please. Just like make sure that you get a good one. It's for my album. And third, he would take absolutely no pay. He wasn't doing this for the money. He was doing it because he no longer believed in this and how the Soviets were running it. Right.

What would it take for you to become a spy, Ed, in this time? What would they have to offer you? You're in Soviet Union and you're like, they're like, you got a defect to America. What would it take? Let's see.

What would it take for you to become a spy, Ed, in this time? What would they have to offer you? You're in Soviet Union and you're like, they're like, you got a defect to America. What would it take? Let's see.

A bottle of milk would, and then you're immediately a double agent. Immediately. Yeah. So in 1974, Oleg started sneaking rolls of microfilm of documents out of the Soviet headquarters on his lunch breaks, right? He would hand them off to be copied, pick them up on his way back, and drop them off again before anyone noticed they were missing.

A bottle of milk would, and then you're immediately a double agent. Immediately. Yeah. So in 1974, Oleg started sneaking rolls of microfilm of documents out of the Soviet headquarters on his lunch breaks, right? He would hand them off to be copied, pick them up on his way back, and drop them off again before anyone noticed they were missing.

But this was also the year that he got his first codename from the British, and they named him Sunbeam. What would be your codename? Cowboy Red. No, I don't know. Cabaret. I would like mine to be a fish boner. Fish boner. Good one. Nobody would know. So 1974 was also the year that Oleg met his second wife, Leila.

But this was also the year that he got his first codename from the British, and they named him Sunbeam. What would be your codename? Cowboy Red. No, I don't know. Cabaret. I would like mine to be a fish boner. Fish boner. Good one. Nobody would know. So 1974 was also the year that Oleg met his second wife, Leila.

She was a secretary at the World Health Organization in Copenhagen, and the pair began a very low key, very slow motion affair. You know, he had code names for this affair too. Also, what is a slow motion affair? Overlords? What is this? Did it happen? Was it tantric? Is that what you're referring to? Like slow motion is just slow simmering? Answer me.

She was a secretary at the World Health Organization in Copenhagen, and the pair began a very low key, very slow motion affair. You know, he had code names for this affair too. Also, what is a slow motion affair? Overlords? What is this? Did it happen? Was it tantric? Is that what you're referring to? Like slow motion is just slow simmering? Answer me.