Arturo Castro

If things go bad in Russia, they would stuff Oleg in the trunk of a car and drive like fucking hell to Europe. That's it. That was the plan. I should do not. And if the whole Gordievsky family was together, then the plan became much more elaborate. They would stuff one man, one woman, and two children in the trunks of two cars and then drive like hell to Europe. Thank God.

If things go bad in Russia, they would stuff Oleg in the trunk of a car and drive like fucking hell to Europe. That's it. That was the plan. I should do not. And if the whole Gordievsky family was together, then the plan became much more elaborate. They would stuff one man, one woman, and two children in the trunks of two cars and then drive like hell to Europe. Thank God.

I would be like, guys, I feel safe. I feel heard. I feel understood. Yeah.

I would be like, guys, I feel safe. I feel heard. I feel understood. Yeah.

No. Also, but you bring up a really interesting point that I'm like, why do you go back anyway? Like, you know what I'm saying? If you know that you are an imminent threat, why go through the fucking process of just checking in, you know?

No. Also, but you bring up a really interesting point that I'm like, why do you go back anyway? Like, you know what I'm saying? If you know that you are an imminent threat, why go through the fucking process of just checking in, you know?

I feel like it wouldn't take that much. If they tell me, come back to Russia. I was like, that's it. I'm dead. Fucking I'm safe. But, you know, to your point, too, like that once you're in that mindset and you've been so used to just playing this card, I don't think it dawns on you the option of just staying. Right.

I feel like it wouldn't take that much. If they tell me, come back to Russia. I was like, that's it. I'm dead. Fucking I'm safe. But, you know, to your point, too, like that once you're in that mindset and you've been so used to just playing this card, I don't think it dawns on you the option of just staying. Right.

Because then that just defeats the whole thing that you like, whatever you build your personality around and your mind games about, like you don't know how to do anything. You're sort of going on autopilot by going back to the Soviet Union.

Because then that just defeats the whole thing that you like, whatever you build your personality around and your mind games about, like you don't know how to do anything. You're sort of going on autopilot by going back to the Soviet Union.

But that confidence almost bit him in the ass. It really did. Yeah, it did. So in May 1985, it finally happened, right? The KGB recalled Oleg to Moscow via telegram. So they said that he was getting a promotion and needed to come back for some high level secret preparations. but things didn't feel quite right for Oleg, right? So he confirmed with his British contacts.

But that confidence almost bit him in the ass. It really did. Yeah, it did. So in May 1985, it finally happened, right? The KGB recalled Oleg to Moscow via telegram. So they said that he was getting a promotion and needed to come back for some high level secret preparations. but things didn't feel quite right for Oleg, right? So he confirmed with his British contacts.

If he gave the signal, they would launch Operation Pimlico to get him out of Russia. On May 19th, 1985, Oleg arrived in Moscow where he had an apartment. There's a feeling that he got. He describes a chill shooting up his spine, which if you're a spy like Oleg that doesn't seem overly paranoid, that's a really bad sign.

If he gave the signal, they would launch Operation Pimlico to get him out of Russia. On May 19th, 1985, Oleg arrived in Moscow where he had an apartment. There's a feeling that he got. He describes a chill shooting up his spine, which if you're a spy like Oleg that doesn't seem overly paranoid, that's a really bad sign.

The deadbolt lock on his apartment had been turned, so his place must have been combed by other agents before he arrived. They were searching vigorously for gay pornography. On the bright side, he was now a colonel in the KGB. So there were rules about how to treat somebody of his rank. The Soviets actually have to gather evidence and hold a trial if they suspected him.

The deadbolt lock on his apartment had been turned, so his place must have been combed by other agents before he arrived. They were searching vigorously for gay pornography. On the bright side, he was now a colonel in the KGB. So there were rules about how to treat somebody of his rank. The Soviets actually have to gather evidence and hold a trial if they suspected him.

So that bought him some time, you know, but Oleg knew that they were onto him. After a few days, Gordievsky was called in for questioning. And this is what we're talking about that we would have fucking folded. This guy in the interrogation, the other KGB agents gave him spiked brandy and dug for details about his British and Danish contacts.

So that bought him some time, you know, but Oleg knew that they were onto him. After a few days, Gordievsky was called in for questioning. And this is what we're talking about that we would have fucking folded. This guy in the interrogation, the other KGB agents gave him spiked brandy and dug for details about his British and Danish contacts.

They asked him questions for hours and eventually Oleg blacked out. Now, he doesn't even know what the fuck happened. He was just allowed to leave after he came to. So he could only guess that he didn't give up anything about his counter espionage. How fucking scared would you be, bro? If you're like, if you're like, do you think you have your shit together?

They asked him questions for hours and eventually Oleg blacked out. Now, he doesn't even know what the fuck happened. He was just allowed to leave after he came to. So he could only guess that he didn't give up anything about his counter espionage. How fucking scared would you be, bro? If you're like, if you're like, do you think you have your shit together?