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Asfand Yar Batmagellich

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Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

I remember a conversation...

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

obviously with a taxi driver, not to Thomas Friedman myself, but where, you know, he asked me how much my flight had cost to come to Iran.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

And what he was doing was mental math to understand how that related to his monthly wage.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

What I was sensing, it later became clear to me, was that starting in 2012, Iran had experienced its first major economic contraction in what was essentially two decades.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

And so for ordinary people, this was a blow.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

They were experiencing increased inflation.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

Their currency had devalued in a way that was wiping out their purchasing power.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

The country was struggling to do basic banking with the international community.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

The fundamental reason why Iran stopped experiencing robust growth after 2012 is the sanctions.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

So there was famously a meeting in May of 2016 where Secretary of State John Kerry went to London and had this roundtable with senior executives from international banks.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

And the message was exactly that.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

It was it's safe to do business with Iran now.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

Be careful, do your compliance.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

But, you know, we actually want to see Iran reconnected.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

The then chief legal officer for HSBC wrote this incredible op-ed in the Wall Street Journal where he kind of told John Kerry to pound sand and just said that his bank was not going to re-engage Iran.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

This culture of overcompliance has become an Achilles heel for the ability of, in particular the US, when the time comes to make a concession and to roll back the sanctions, you have to let economic activity resume.

Planet Money
Iran, protests, and sanctions

And we're just very bad at that when it comes down to it.

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