Ash Kelley
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And it's like these moments are really gross and they're not healthy.
I forget when I talked to, oh, I think I talked about this when I did the event with Elizabeth Arnott.
At Unlikely Story, we were talking about how, like, it's wild when people, like, especially when women will fall in love with, like, serial killers.
And, like, go and, like, marry them.
And I was saying how, like, I just can't wrap my brain around it because in my mind, I
I can at least sit there and know the difference because I love villains, like fictional villains.
And I know that that doesn't work in real life.
A villain doesn't work in real life.
And it's like, so you find that out and it takes people a long time.
Trust me, I was in my 20s being like, the villain will work out in real life.