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Asha Rangappa

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

then we're in a whole new landscape and we have to accommodate that reality.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

then we're in a whole new landscape and we have to accommodate that reality.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

I'm glad that you mentioned that the FBI operates in the shadows. I mean, it does have this national security piece, which is literally in the shadows. But also the nature of investigation is that a lot of it happens before it ever gets to a court. And I think what most people don't realize is the FBI does not operate under a legislative charter.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

I'm glad that you mentioned that the FBI operates in the shadows. I mean, it does have this national security piece, which is literally in the shadows. But also the nature of investigation is that a lot of it happens before it ever gets to a court. And I think what most people don't realize is the FBI does not operate under a legislative charter.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

It doesn't have laws, I mean, apart from the Constitution, that govern how that investigative power can be used. It is governed by something called attorney general guidelines, which are issued by the attorney general.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

It doesn't have laws, I mean, apart from the Constitution, that govern how that investigative power can be used. It is governed by something called attorney general guidelines, which are issued by the attorney general.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

And these create the standards that you need to meet before you can initiate an investigation, what kinds of investigative techniques you can use for different kinds of investigations, what kind of approvals you need, etc., etc. Those can be changed, rescinded, not adhered to, all internally, and we would not know. One thing that we can do is look at what is actually happening or not happening.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

And these create the standards that you need to meet before you can initiate an investigation, what kinds of investigative techniques you can use for different kinds of investigations, what kind of approvals you need, etc., etc. Those can be changed, rescinded, not adhered to, all internally, and we would not know. One thing that we can do is look at what is actually happening or not happening.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

So, for example, after Signalgate, that is the kind of thing that the FBI would normally have done an investigation or the Department of Justice would have the attorney general would have appointed a special counsel at least to look into it. We saw Merrick Garland do this with Joe Biden's possession of classified information or mishandling of it. Right. That didn't happen. Right.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

So, for example, after Signalgate, that is the kind of thing that the FBI would normally have done an investigation or the Department of Justice would have the attorney general would have appointed a special counsel at least to look into it. We saw Merrick Garland do this with Joe Biden's possession of classified information or mishandling of it. Right. That didn't happen. Right.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

We have recently seen an executive order targeting Chris Krebs, who was the head of CISA, and demanding thatβ€” Can you say what CISA is? CISA is the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. It's under DHS. It was created in 2018, and it oversees election security.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

We have recently seen an executive order targeting Chris Krebs, who was the head of CISA, and demanding thatβ€” Can you say what CISA is? CISA is the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. It's under DHS. It was created in 2018, and it oversees election security.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

And Chris Krebs, who was the first director, was one of the people who was very vocal in the 2020 election that the election was secure. you know, reassuring people that our elections were proceeding properly, which obviously undercut the claims that they were rigged. But Trump has ordered DOJ to do an investigation.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

And Chris Krebs, who was the first director, was one of the people who was very vocal in the 2020 election that the election was secure. you know, reassuring people that our elections were proceeding properly, which obviously undercut the claims that they were rigged. But Trump has ordered DOJ to do an investigation.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

Again, this kind of tells me, unless there's evidence that I just don't know, that the attorney general guidelines are in the dustbin. I mean, they can't possibly be following those to create an unsubstantiated investigation. An analyst who is working on the Russia investigation has been placed on lead. That was somebody who was mentioned in Kash Patel's book on his enemies list.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

Again, this kind of tells me, unless there's evidence that I just don't know, that the attorney general guidelines are in the dustbin. I mean, they can't possibly be following those to create an unsubstantiated investigation. An analyst who is working on the Russia investigation has been placed on lead. That was somebody who was mentioned in Kash Patel's book on his enemies list.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

So it is telling me that this is not an agency that is working the way that it did when I was there, just based on some of these outward things. And that can be very dangerous because there is a lot the FBI can do.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

So it is telling me that this is not an agency that is working the way that it did when I was there, just based on some of these outward things. And that can be very dangerous because there is a lot the FBI can do.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

They can do a lot. There is a long runway from when an investigation is started to when it might get a judicial check of some kind. So just as an example, they can surveil you physically. I mean, just as an intimidation tactic. We'll talk about black vans, right? They can park in front of your house and just watch you all the time.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Emergency Is Here

They can do a lot. There is a long runway from when an investigation is started to when it might get a judicial check of some kind. So just as an example, they can surveil you physically. I mean, just as an intimidation tactic. We'll talk about black vans, right? They can park in front of your house and just watch you all the time.