Ashley Flowers

And I'm like, it's not, some people are built for it.

But I was like, it's not the content that depresses me.

I was like, there's always going to be bad people out there doing bad things.

The thing that has really gotten to me doing this for eight and a half years is like, oh, I actually used to believe that there was a system in place that would right the wrongs and catch the bad guys and fix the things.

And I just don't know that I believe in that system anymore.

And that's something that I relate to because doing prison reform stuff with Kim, I mean, it's Kim's thing.

ship and she's driving it but i've been apart with her on so many journeys but realizing that it's not always about getting the right person they just want to pin it on someone yeah it's about getting a win yes and that's so devastating because i'm like wait so you don't care that the killer or burglar whoever is still out there you just want to make your town feel safe by saying that they got the guy unbelievable it's really unbelievable and like you said about even the dna testing

I've watched Law & Order and all this stuff, and it's like you see these shows, they move in this fast-paced episode, beginning, middle, end.

It takes months, if not years, if not at all, to get the DNA testing.

And in my head, I'm like, what do you mean?

Just test them, and in 48 hours, we're going to get the results back, right?

It's crazy.

There's a missing persons case out of New Mexico right now, Melissa Casillas.

Day by day.

I'm like, you could sway me.

Someone did something to her.

She walked away.

There's so many weird elements to this case.

But there is this like spot of blood that's found in her house that people were suspicious of.

They do like the presumptive testing that says, yes, this is blood, but we don't know if it's hers.