Ashley Lopez

And so one of the folks that we heard from there, Esmerida, she's from El Mirage.

She identifies as a Democrat.

She says that she was born in the United States, but she's Hispanic.

And she's very aware of the fact that she looks Hispanic.

And so that is part of like the calculus she's making when she's deciding to go out in the street, especially since there's a detention center so close to her, like just physically so close to her.

Yeah, I think Mara makes an important point here, which is the how is the thing that really bothers people here.

A lot of these voters said that they didn't approve abolishing ICE mostly because they want to see immigration enforcement in the country.

They don't want that to go away.

One part of the conversation that really stood out to me was this one individual, Kanell.

He lives in Phoenix.

He's an independent voter.

He said that, you know, and like a lot of voters, he is worried about the border.

He thinks immigration is a problem.

Just some context.

You know, we get a sense of how these people consume news in a lot of ways.

There's a lot of Joe Rogan podcast listeners, a lot of Fox News watchers.

Immigration are things that are talked about a lot in the media that a lot of these voters consume.

But what Connell said is, you know, because of social media, because ICE enforcement has gone so far, we're just seeing it a lot.

And he thinks that's where the rub is.

Which is very telling.