Ashley Lopez

So, you know, that makes me think like.

Political upheaval could eventually become economic upheaval, economic problems.

So it is a problem for Trump to continue to have, first of all, all these other big things be in the news and people think he's not working on the economy.

But two, chaos in general doesn't seem to help him at all as well.

This is a liability for Trump among independent voters as well.

I don't know if you guys remember talking to voters during the election.

I heard so many independent voters say, I think I'm going to vote for Trump because he seems like less of a war hawk than the Harris administration.

And I've heard this come up a couple of times, which is like, I thought we would be less involved in sort of foreign affairs in Trump 2.0.

And it seems right now like the opposite is happening.

And I can see a lot of independent voters having a whiplash now and being like, I thought we were getting something totally different when I voted for Trump.

I mean, he's also in a particular kind of bind, which is that the chaos has also been kind of the Teflon for the president, which is so much going on means a lot of stuff doesn't stick to him.

But it is a problem when you're trying to message and message things like the economy.

When people are being shot in an American city, it is harder to talk about kitchen table issues.

So, you know, I think as long as this is what his presidency looks like, the administration, how it functions, it's going to be hard.

to get messaging to voters about stuff that, yeah, they probably care about the most, but it's not going to seep through.

All right.

We are going to leave it there for today.

Right.

So NPR is partnering with Engageus and Sego, which are messaging experts and market researchers.

And a big part of what they do is just try to figure out why people feel the way they feel about something.