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the clearest way for them to do so might be breaking up their own Black or Hispanic districts to disperse those to make, I guess, lighter blue districts in their cities.

Like, the incentives could be such that both sides agree that kind of Black representation or minority representation is not the priority for them in Congress.

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I want to think about another question to go back to our kind of original point, which was specific to protecting versus improving democracy.

I'm someone who thought that the Democrats really erred in 2024 by talking about the protection of democracy rather than kind of acknowledging some of the shortcomings with our political system and vowing to improve it.

I want to kind of put you in that hot seat.