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You know, the administration would say that Iran is weakened militarily fundamentally, that their leadership has been eliminated in a unique way, that they have sped up a succession crisis.

Is that to you achieving the objective of regime change?

It sounds like even though you've got, even though you kind of got what you wanted, theoretically, it may not end up, it doesn't necessarily leave us in a better place, even under your own framework.

Ambassador Bolton, we really appreciate your time.

Thank you so much for joining us.

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