Athena Peppes

And then the fifth one is around jobs. And I think that's a huge one because it sometimes gets not mentioned very much in the light of like productivity benefits, which there are many. But I think it's better not to hide away from the conversation and to think about what would that mean for the impact on your people? Will that mean job losses? And if it does, how do you handle that?

And then the fifth one is around jobs. And I think that's a huge one because it sometimes gets not mentioned very much in the light of like productivity benefits, which there are many. But I think it's better not to hide away from the conversation and to think about what would that mean for the impact on your people? Will that mean job losses? And if it does, how do you handle that?

What's your responsibility to upskill your people and help them understand the technology better? Yeah.

What's your responsibility to upskill your people and help them understand the technology better? Yeah.

Yeah, it's quite diverse, I would say. I think you're right that if we look to the past, say, for instance, when smartphones and social media kind of became commonplace, there was a lot of issues around that. Maybe not necessarily on jobs, but kind of parallel issues that we could learn from.

Yeah, it's quite diverse, I would say. I think you're right that if we look to the past, say, for instance, when smartphones and social media kind of became commonplace, there was a lot of issues around that. Maybe not necessarily on jobs, but kind of parallel issues that we could learn from.

And what we saw is that we were very slow, our institutions were very slow to adopt to those kind of issues and help people. Automation would be one example of that, right? Loads of jobs got automated. I think now there's a lot, the kind of jobs that will be affected are not just manual jobs, but also manual routine jobs, but also knowledge workers.

And what we saw is that we were very slow, our institutions were very slow to adopt to those kind of issues and help people. Automation would be one example of that, right? Loads of jobs got automated. I think now there's a lot, the kind of jobs that will be affected are not just manual jobs, but also manual routine jobs, but also knowledge workers.

And perhaps that's why we are seeing much more of a discussion because there's a feeling that, oh, this is becoming a lot bigger in terms of the impact on jobs. I don't know if you can generalize about how CEOs are

And perhaps that's why we are seeing much more of a discussion because there's a feeling that, oh, this is becoming a lot bigger in terms of the impact on jobs. I don't know if you can generalize about how CEOs are

are seeing this i think the the ceo of um clarna the payments company said that they they got rid of 1200 jobs because genitive i was helping their marketing and sales teams do things so much faster and he said actually that they can that they'll only be able to function with 2000 people i think as opposed to perhaps nearly double that now or something like that

are seeing this i think the the ceo of um clarna the payments company said that they they got rid of 1200 jobs because genitive i was helping their marketing and sales teams do things so much faster and he said actually that they can that they'll only be able to function with 2000 people i think as opposed to perhaps nearly double that now or something like that

But there's always the economic incentive of the thing. There's an IPO coming up.

But there's always the economic incentive of the thing. There's an IPO coming up.

So there's issues like that.

So there's issues like that.

Yeah, and I think, you know, the things you touched on as well about the broader perspective, right? So it helps to think of this from a macroeconomic perspective. CEOs, I think, would generally think about it in the context of their organization, but the issues that come up, like you mentioned around education in the future and how do we plan for our economies, those are much bigger issues.

Yeah, and I think, you know, the things you touched on as well about the broader perspective, right? So it helps to think of this from a macroeconomic perspective. CEOs, I think, would generally think about it in the context of their organization, but the issues that come up, like you mentioned around education in the future and how do we plan for our economies, those are much bigger issues.

And it's not as commonplace to find CEOs that might have that vision. Arguably, some of that might come from us, right? What expectations do we have from these organizations about their responsibility to actually create jobs? Yeah. So in the economics field, there's a huge debate around the impact of this on jobs. I'm not sure there's a conclusion yet.

And it's not as commonplace to find CEOs that might have that vision. Arguably, some of that might come from us, right? What expectations do we have from these organizations about their responsibility to actually create jobs? Yeah. So in the economics field, there's a huge debate around the impact of this on jobs. I'm not sure there's a conclusion yet.