Attawalpa

And he's done the lights there.

And he's been working forever.

And I had dinner with him and asked him if he would do our stage show.

And he was really into it.

And he...

literally brought down all these boxes and they were so cool and i love that side of it it's endless you know if you sort of get on a vibe i read this book once and it said before you write any music you should take the band photo first so you have something visual wow to jump off on yeah which you know you don't have to do that but it is an interesting way of looking at the process

It's world making.

And an attitude or something.

But you could have the same thing making a song and using a synth.

I mean, we're in my studio right now and using a synthesizer over there, putting that through a delay pedal and for a certain amp.

And that builds the sonic world of what you're doing.

But to have something visual is like really important.

And also, you know, now that I've done two EPs and two albums, I've worked with a lot of directors and a few animators as well.

And you kind of get to collaborate with all these different people and see how they make you feel and how they make the music feel and the visuals feel.

And you just grow and constantly evolve through that power of collaboration.

And when you look back at Pulp now... Who took about eight years or ten years to break through as well.

To the way he moved.

I remember the name, but I can't think of the songs yet.

Totally.

And I remember when one of my old bands, we were signed to Universal, you know, we had the manager, we had the label, we had all that stuff.