Attawalpa

Yeah, Still Life.

Yeah.

And he does a lot of amazing glass work as well.

He's like, you know, Scottish Italian, but he spent a lot of time living in Lima.

So he kind of knows about that culture as well.

And they were hanging out 70s, 80s.

But then when I came around in the 90s, you know, everything's kind of mellowing out.

And it's before the internet.

It was hard to put yourself out there.

Yeah.

So I think like being able to come to London and just do it.

You know, obviously, I was in a bunch of bands.

I was in a band with my very good friend.

And she's also an amazing painter, Emma Chitty, and the creative director for that band.

album cover that you're talking about the presence that dan martinson shot and she created directed all this stuff on experience the cover greta ilieva shot and she's directed a bunch of videos for us she's a great director as well you know we have the ability with the internet to just like have a conversation put everything in a sort of mold

Because I love records that live in a world and everything's been thought out, you know, like before in previous bands, even the first two I had to open EPs, Bells and Patterns, I was just putting it out there because I just needed to, you know, anchor myself in the world.

Yeah.

But I also love the idea of album cover and music videos.

It's super important to me to tie all those things in and having someone that's known me for nearly 20 years or maybe over 20 years, like Emma, who also we've been in a band together.

you know understand the craft of creative direction it's just super cool to have those conversations like it's great if you can do it yourself but i think behind every artist like the princes the title of the creators the nirvanas there is someone there like sort of taking all these ideas and logging them and making them filtering them to make sense into like a product which at the end of the day is kind of what you're putting out there