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Austin Kleon

πŸ‘€ Speaker
632 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

You could think about it in terms of like in the social sciences, they call it explore and exploit.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

You know, when you're young, you're exploring, you're learning, you're figuring things out.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

Then when you get a job, you're exploiting that knowledge, you know, to make money or do whatever.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

But I think in order to grow as human beings, we need to kind of toggle back and forth between that knowing and not knowing, right?

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

Because the minute you think you know what you're doing is a very dangerous place for anyone who's doing any kind of work because that's the moment things start getting boring and they start getting stale and you start doing things by routine instead of doing them because of what is needed.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

You have to balance that, I think, in your career of that cycle of knowing and not knowing.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

And the kids just put me in that perpetual not knowing mode

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

that is really rich for creative work, because I really think to be a parent is to be a perpetual amateur.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

And the reason is neither of you have done this before.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

Neither of you have been in this relationship before, this exact relationship.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

And even if you've already had a kid before, that doesn't mean that what works with the last kid is gonna help with the new kid.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

And that's true of books.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

And it's true of art.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

Just because, you know, the last one worked this way doesn't mean that this one's going to work that way.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

And that works with our corporate projects or whatever else we're working on too.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

And so to get comfortable being in this amateur, I always like the word amateur because it actually in the French, it means lover of, right?

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

And so to be an amateur is to be someone who is mostly in love with the thing that they're doing.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

They're doing it out of love and not out of material reward.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

And certainly in parenting, the only thing you can really do is show up and love the kid.

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
690: Austin Kleon - Why Activated Leaders Win, The Analog Desk, Don't Call it Art, Stay Light, Professional Noticers, Lead with Curiosity, and How To Steal Like an Artist

Kids are great because they'll knock you on your ass as far as you're pompous