Austin Kleon

You know, not that it's always fun, but I do think that for me, I...

want to know why they seem to be having fun too.

Because if you see someone who's having fun, it's like, well, what is it that's, why do they seem that way?

You know, it's usually like someone who's totally devoted to their craft and they totally believe in what they do and they would do it even if you paid them a couple bucks, you know, that kind of thing.

So I just think fun is very underrated in this culture and I think a lot of us don't know how to do it anymore.

And so that's why I think it's so powerful.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Keep going.

Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

No, no, no.

Yeah, it's like one of my favorite quotes ever.

And the artists I've studied say that too.

It's kind of like, there's a hero of mine, like one of the cartoonists that I really admire, James Kochalka, who said, you know, I don't really see a difference between my work and life.

Everything just kind of like flows together.

And someone like Andy Warhol was like, you know, I don't worry about whether what I'm making is art.

It's like, don't even worry about it, just get it done.

And then...

let someone else call it art if they want to yeah you know it was just like just to be doing again to be activated to be doing things to not be worrying

You know, another way to put it, I always like to say, like, forget the noun, do the verb.

The way I put it with writers is that everyone wants to be a writer.