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Ave Gatton

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Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

When we talk about inference, we're really talking about not so much the state of the model that you took off the shelf, but now the capabilities and the prompt that the immediate model is working with.

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

Can you talk to that LLM, talk to that agent framework, and cause it to take malicious actions or exfiltrate sensitive data?

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

So it's in the moment, in a sense.

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

Very tactile versus maybe what you would call strategic safety of the model in general.

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

We're all starting at this from the same starting point.

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

And it's definitely early innings in terms of security for LLMs at large and agents at large.

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

So we all probably come up with essentially the same ideas.

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

But if you think about an agentic system that you're going to put into production,

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

It's going to scale.

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

And so if it's going to scale and service thousands of users, ultimately, you should expect that you will encounter a bad actor and that you will encounter someone who's going to try and jailbreak it.

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

And the principle of zero trust in all of this extended to agents would be you should assume that agent will be jailbroken, that despite your best attempts at keeping it safe and immune from prompt poisoning or prompt injection,

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

or somebody jailbreaking the agent, despite all of your best attempts, assume that it will be jailbroken at some point.

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

And if it is, then what's the worst it could do?

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

How do you prevent it from, say, going and just starting to read all your sensitive data and sending it out to a hacker?

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

And that's the reason why we need these protections.

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

is because the more you scale the system, the more guaranteed you are to run into a bad actor or an attempt to jailbreak.

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

So all agents break in the same way, right?

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

So the types of attacks and the way in which we can protect agents are common to almost every industry.

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

The specifics of the information that's being exfiltrated or the types of actions that the agent could take to

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders
The Gene Simmons of Data Protection - AI Inference-time Guardrails

disrupt a business are unique, obviously, to each industry.